Quick Gary Hare IRC report, no more 3rd party AmigaOS after OS4.0.

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@ All
I dont see why it's all doom and gloom.
Really, most of you are just speculating as to what AI have said.
It seemed pretty clear to me to be quite honest.

Garry has said he is very interested in the OS and it will be moving In House for future versions.
To me that means, well, future versions.
Being In House could mean ANYTHING.
The thing is, none of you have any idea on what that means because Gary is not going to tell you. It would only be speculation.

To be quite blunt, he shouldn't have to, and I bet that Hyperion won't tell you either. If they were going to tell you every little thing, Gary would have but as he said himself, no matter how creative you get at asking the question, he's not going to answer it, so seriously, stop asking.

Hyperion AI and whoever else may or may not be involved all have signed contracts that probably have some sort of non disclosure terms otherwise they would openly talk about it.

Gary has said, he's not going to talk, same with Hyperion, leave it at that. He has said the OS will continue and lots is going to happen including multi user, 3d and some sort of Internet conective interatcion etc..

You people need to stop going around saying, it's dead, no more Hyperion etc or Micorsoft have bought it or SUN or IBM, perhaps Apple are going to make it into the next I Pod. Come on, seriously, I think even you can now see just how silly all this is. Unless you have it in writing from Gary himself, which you don't, your only guessing at something you really have no idea on.

Let's all stop all this heresay now, Gary is at the helm, he is creating the AMIGA OS with whoever he chooses and is going to deliver on his promises. So far he hasn't let anyone down and has kept promises even down to trivial T-Shirts promised by former owners of now HIS company.

Let it be. The future will tell. I think it's going to be a good one, at last we have someone at the helm who is making progress, after all, we have all seen OS4 in sertan stages, it will continue, if you want to speculate eat this one...Perhaps Hyperion are going to become part of AI

The thing is, you just have no idea what's going on behind closed doors and you shouldn't unless you sign the contract too.

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@ Wayne
Easy now, I understand your frustrations, and rightly so, but we all are frustrated. Most of us have old AMIGA hardware that's failing and really hard to fix. Most of us don't have the knowledge or access to people that do to fix it either.
It's all really dishartening haging on to a thread that keeps seeming to get shorter and thinner.

Unfortunatly, this is the process and I have learned to accpect it. Companies are not going to disclose all of their plans and ideas for future products. Gary really has said quite a bit in his posts, yes it is just words, but it's also HIS company. He didn't have to say anything at all really.

He seems like a good person, we all have seen some of the fruits of his leadership in the form of the OS4 development continuing to press forward, new Hardware platforms etc even T-Shirts promised by former company owners.
He really hasn't let anyone down yet and he is telling people like yourself and me that it's going to continue.

It's a waiting game. I don't think anyone here is going to dissagree with you that it's frustrating because it is. That's why he jumped on IRC in the first place. To try and let everyone know, it's all still hapening, but he's not going to give the game away.
We need to have faith in him now that he's in controll untill he lets us down I guess, only if he does mind you! then we can make another choice I guess.

I for one am really glad that you and others have a site like this to get info from Gary and others

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I think he just siad it all over again personally.
It's a pretty good show of character on his behalf to take all this crap, shove it aside and even potentially break a NDA in some fashion.

Thanks Gary, if you take just one thing out of all of this, you could say, at least the people who await your product are really passionate about it.

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@ Waccoon


"Yes, but how many "in-house" products have Amiga Inc. released in the last six years? A cheezy game pack? That doesn't exactly inspire confidence.

Also, I'm still confused about what is meant by in-house. Here's something from the IRC chat (quoted by Elwood)"


Well there you go, you just partly answerd your own questions there. AI have already released game packs weather you think they are cheesy is irrelevent. I haven't seen any OS4 released yet, at least they have released something. It shows to me that the company is busy. If you have no confidense in the company, what are you doing hanging around. Go elsewhere that does inspire confidense or stop shouting about nothing, which is what you are doing because we don't have a product yet.

As for In House, it's Gary's company, he can do whtever he likes and he made the comment In House because, well guess why? It's because he's not going to tell you anything else appart from that. So speculate or quote as much as you like, it's only speculation unless Gary wants to tell you more, which I'm almost certain, he does not.


"SHADES: To be quite blunt, he shouldn't have to, and I bet that Hyperion won't tell you either.

Yes, they both should -- if they expect people to acutally buy their products.

A company is nothing without its reputation."


That's just silly, no company in their right mind would disclose all their future plans. ATI wont do it for Nvidia
AMD won't do it for Intel, Transmetta won't do it for anyone lol, Sony perhaps??, not likely.
History shows that your type of thinking where companies share all thier future plans is company suicide.
It won't happen so dont even go there, if your not happy about that, well it's just too bad.
Gary is in this for the long term and he want's to make some money. He's not going to tell you. Call the wambulance.

I agree everyone is biting their nails, it's been a long and tiresome history for this platform.........but he's still not going to tell you :-) and neither would I if I was in his position  :-D

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@Cymric
That's a very downing speech you gave there.
I wonder if that's how oppressed people during wars felt.
Some of those wars went on for years and 10s of years with no end in site.
The only thing people had left was hope and the belief that it would end to give a brighter future.
I think it's the same in everything you do in life. To give up  on something you believe in is to give up on living.
To me life is all about overcoming obsticals and striving for a better future. Families escaped Russia through China in the 2nd World war and they did this by squandering money. If you got caught doing this in China back then, you were shot where you stood. No questions, no nothing.
Some of these people hung on to hope and migrated. They fled to contries like US and AUS and most were able to make a life. Enough to get into homes and schooled and through UNI.

I hope I don't need to read to many posts like yours. Most people would be shot down in e-mail on site for being caught believing in AMIGA and a future.

Guess what, I believe, so come get me. You're not going to make everyone feel like no hope is left. You want to be realistic?? wars are very real. If people give up, they loose. Now that's the reality of life !


Then again, their only your views lol. I really shouldn't let them get to me the way it did. I must be tired.

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@restore2003


" Tsk tsk, and i thought the war was over.........

Why is there a war any longer anyway?
Nobody that is tired of shouting at eachother?
We ALL have the same roots ffs!"



War isn't over until people stop attacking. Well that's the way it seems to happen.

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@Glaucus

"Honestly, who cares? I wish them the best of luck. All I care about is OS4.X, why even bring up AA?"

I have to agree 100%
Who cares because all I want is OS4 too. I have no idea why I debate anything else. If people want the OS, it will suceed and the company with it.
As for AA, heck if it improves sales for the company who owns AOS, bring that on too, the more help for AOS, the better.

Bring on OS4.

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@Waccoon

"I'm not talking about future plans or an extensive, 10-year projection, here. It should be obvious by now that "plans" are unimportant. More like, what can AA do that other platforms cannot? What's special about it? What does it do now? Well, they can't really tell you, but they did release some new games that don't really need the capabilities of their platform, and can easily be done on all their competitors' platforms."

I guess that's fair enough Waccoon, the thing is you just don't know what AIs 10 year plan is. It may well be OS4 or intergration of AA into AOS or a completly new way of thinking for desktop/handheld enviroments.
I would say it must have something to do with it because they are being very tight lipped about it all.
SUN were also very tight lipped when JAVA was in conception. People knew that they were working on something supposedly revolutionary, but that's about it. Now that it's available, sure!
My thoughts on this whole bit are that AI are still working on AA, maybe it's bigger than what we have seen so far. Maybe you only saw the cheezy bit.

Look, even i'm speculating about AIs future plans here, I don't have any real evidece appart from the obvious like OS4 is going to be a release etc... The thing is, if it's critical to the companies success, they are not going to say much. You could also see this as a positive! That they(AI) are kind of banking on it??

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@ All,

Just to throw a bone in the works, I too must admit, I find the hardware platform for AMIGA a little too pricy. I will still save to buy one, but I hope the price drops a bit. $50 won't even fill my tank of petrol these days, yet I can go buy a 900Mhz P3 for that. lol

ok, ok, that's second hand probably doesn't count lol