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New standard A1 model
« on: August 30, 2004, 11:15:41 PM »
Hey everyone.
Does anyone know of a new standard sized A1 ATX board that is going to be produced in the near future? None of this Mini ATX /ITX stuff, I want a full compliment of PCI slots or express. I can't live with only 1 or 2 PCI slots! Oh, and does it have on board Giganet? I have upgraded recently and wish to use this new standard.
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Re: New standard A1 model
« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2004, 12:19:28 AM »
>> what do you need PCI slots for exactly?

Oh you know, the usual TV Cards, Dual nics, SCSI cards, IDE raid controller, perhaps wireless instead, the list sorta goes on.
OS4 may not support all of them, I know TV cards are supporeted in Winuae etc so I'm sure the 68000 code could be emulated and converted to run under A1. Somone will. The thing is, why Mini ATX/ITX design. I want an expandable big box!
I don't want a mini mainboard. It makes no sense, and as for the specs, 1x AGP?? what's going on there! 4x no worries as there are very few cards that use up the 8x bus width and DDr ram, where's that?
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Re: New standard A1 model
« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2004, 05:04:30 AM »
This is why I don't like mini motherboards!!

They try to pack so much into a small space that features get skimped out on. AGP in PCI mode? what's the point there. And riser cards? that's a realy evil way of doing things. I hope that extra IRQ channels are added for those riser cards.

Althoug I'd be more than happy with just standard PCI/AGP board (as long as it's not 1x speed AGP) I think the previous poster is correct. We should try to develop with the times and PCI express is going to be the replacement solution of the future. Why not use the later technology? sure it's more expensive, but AMIGAs were renowned for being more expensive because they used SCSI and DMA channels etc..etc...

I'd rather a PC built on technology that is going to have a future, not rely on spare parts from the past. Anyone still using VESA at home??
Just wondering ;))
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Re: New standard A1 model
« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2004, 10:49:37 PM »
I found the problem with PCs at work is their size too, but at home, I want features and expandability. I hate the fact that most mainboards don't have enough IRQs and end up doing PCI steering. The sharing of IRQs on mainboaqrds slow them down, and I find at home, most don't have enough. As an example, I have a time critical 24/96 Sampler unit from STA audio running on an Gigabyite mainboard and Athlon 2600. I have had to turn off, game port, midi, on board sound, USB, IDE raid, serial ports so as not to use sharing on the IRQs. Lots of features not enough lines to the PCI. Most companies use the PCI 2.0 spec of sharing because it's cheaper. I'd like to see them produce a board that's got better performance and charge a little more, but now we are talking about servers which is not needed.

I hate having a mainboard where I have to disable features because they have skimped out in design. Riser cards most of the time only add slots, the IRQs however are hard wired into the PCI controller, and so if they are not there, the controller will share what it has. Much like the prommie does. I think it has 1 or maybe 2 IRQs on it sharing with all slots where as Mediator has 5?? someone who knows the hardware will give the correct number here. Yep, makes it more expensive, but also, it's faster. If my gigabyte board had more IRQs I wouldbe able to use more of the features the board was designed with.

AMIGA always had cutting edge stuff. Sure, people had jst bought EGA, but we were using 4096 colours. 4 channell 8 bit sound, DMA and megs of memory. SCSI interface instead of slow PIO IDE modes etc...... It was expensive to buy as not many people used that hardware at that tim, I would expect the same if PCI Express was chosen, so be it, give AMIGA engineers and developers a chance to get in first and develop some great hardware for express. Newtek??
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