News of Free 060 Like Apollo Core License

[Nickman]

But sorry. NO  I guess the 080 will be as standard as the PPC..

some few datatypes etc.  some small programs. and MAYBE a few demos.  but that's it

You do know that you can run 68k software on the Vampire? Unlike the ppc.

[Nickman]

All system friendly software that follow CBM guidelines run also on PPC with the built in 68k emulator,'it run even faster!
For the rest you've an Amiga emulator.
Kamelito

Oh sorry i must have misunderstood chucky.
From his post about a few datatypes and smal programs i thought he was talking about PowerUP or WarpOS on classic AmigaOS.. (Not MorphOS or AmigaOS 4.x)

And with that point of view i cant understand how it compares. My PPC did stay mostly unused on OS3.9 but my Vampire is used for everything and all my 68k programs.

But from your point of view yes they are the same only the Vampire is quicker on 68k code...even faster than native PPC code in many cases

[Nickman]

that is my point.. the bells and whistles of the 080 will be unused as the PPC was unused on most CSPPCs/BPPCs. (I just mine for datatypes and archivers..  not that much)  so the 080 addons as they hype so much will never really be noticed..  if even used.   as you need coders actually DOING the software...

Hmm still dont get your point. In that case wouldnt a 060 be the same? not much software is tuned for 060 either. Mostly a couple of demos and some datatypes..

You still argue in a way that i think you think the Apollo core is only AMMX and 64bit instructions.. and when not using that it it pointless???

If it runs 040 code faster then a real 68040 or 060 code faster then a 68060 is that so bad?
It has every instruction from the 68k motorola family included in the core. (Except TAS2 and MMU)

[Nickman]

"couple demos"  there is a LOT of 060 demos..  and for me  that is what I use my Amiga for.... (except coding on DiagROM )

060 demos is not that interesting for me so i guess i dont keep track of how many there are.

the 080 still lacks FPU!..  when I bought my Vampire I read a promise about AGA and FPU..    what I understand.  we will get AGA and a PARTIAL FPU. as there is no room for the fpu..  (but room for crap.. ie stuff that never will be used.  instead of that real fpu....)

Then someone lied to you or fooled you. Sorry to hear. For me when i bought it i was clear on that i bought what was available right then. Not something that could be available in the future.

As you are an FPGA expert and know the size of the different components in the core can you please enlighten us about what the "crap" is and how big that is?

SAGA?
AMMX?
64-Bit Support?
Instruction Bonding?
Instruction Fusing?
Big Instruction-Cache?
Big Data-Cache?

and no mmu..  and programmers needs mmu..

Im guessing DiagRom would have been impossible for you to do without an MMU?

so..  a crippled cpu. that behaves more lika a buggy emulator (NO!  I know FPGA is not emulation..  it BEHAVES like it!)
what do YOU guys use your beloved Amigas for? be HONEST now..
I would guess:  games, demos and mostly just..  fiddeling with it..
production use?  web?  nah!

Playing some games, listening to mods, looking at demos, Painting in DPaint, Configuring my WB to look like i want it, showing it of to friends and family and my daughter.