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Looks like the regular Surface RT tablets will be discontinued thus Surface will now start at $799 instead of $499.


Probably best before you write stuff up that you have a good read and understand the subject matter a little better.
 RT was the Original non-intel "Windows RT" version of the Surface.
With the second release of the Surface MS decided to drop the RT name from the device. Making it just the Surface.
The intel version "Surface Pro" has stayed with that name.
There has been no substantial price change of the release price of either model through all versions and releases.

I assumed you'd want to correctly represent the device because of your keenness to keep us up to date with its ongoing failure. As opposed to other similar tablet releases that fail to get a mention here.
 

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And your home network is safer than the cloud yeah? Your ADSL/Cable modem/router's DLP and IDS/IPS has got it all under control.
And using iWork on an iPad ? I'm confused by your view on cloud.
 

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Moved from Raptors to dual 450MBps SSD RAID 0 on SATA3 for my new rig last year.
ATTO benchmark gives me consistent 800MBps read and close to the same writes. That's raw throughput for medium to large reads/writes. Speed!
Just gotta make sure the OS is backed up monthly, You could trust the Raptors through thick and thin but SSD: Time will tell.
 

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http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/05/20/microsoft-corporation-launches-thermonuclear-war-o.aspx

Regardless of the noise. RT makes sense in regard to a runtime OS on alternative (to Intel) processors.  Albeit ARM only at this stage.
It's a case of damned if you do or don't for M$.
If all it achieves is get Intel out of its rut and into more competitive thinking about heat and power then that's something. The advances in Intel "i" CPU tech from Surface Pro to Surface Pro 3 are quite marked. It's the threat of market disruption that drives advancements for incumbents.
IMO having an i7(8 core) in a tablet is ludicrous. i5(4 core) is nigh on overkill. An i3(2 core) makes sense.  I am guessing people questioning the speed of an i3, haven't used a recent one or have other problems on their machine.  In general tablet type usage "browsing, consuming content, social, email" on a PC there is little speed difference between processors of the same release. Once you start doing productive multitasking stuff there is a obvious difference.

Sent this on an Android Kindle Fire 2 core. And it is markedly less snappy than my Wife's Surface RT or my daughter's hand-me-down iPad 2 for that matter.

Don't hear much bagging of the Kindle Fire here. ;)

As to the article, they don't even know the difference between PC sales and laptop. How a Surface would compete against a PC I don't know. Nor do they understand the concept of market disruption. Fool is appropriate.

Without prejudice and in good humour; If I were Microsoft I wouldn't be looking the Amiga.org Forum for marketing/product advice. ;)
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Well, time will tell Duce!
It's called Market disruption and it's considered a win/win even if you fail.
Whoops nearly called you dice. Just getting used to this Kindle Fire auto-correct.
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I've always liked the original Kindle with the Ink display. Especially the new version.
The fire is a bit of an enigma. It's a 7 inch display at a usable resolution +720 but acts a a mobile device online. So YouTube for instance plays low red by default.
I put a 720p blu ray movie on it however ad it looked sharp and played beautifully.
The carousel GUI is okay but sometimes sluggish the same as browsing in Silk(not so silk)
 PDFs look generally crap. Which could be a conversion issue.
Email, photos Music are great.

So not for all?
 

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Re: Surface 3 - New direction, higher prices and it's crappy
« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2014, 03:06:07 PM »
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Actually, they just kept polishing it and released the results as Win7 (which seems to be much better received).
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Agree, but Microsoft didn't stop the media from convincing people it was a totally new OS, and in some cases entertained the hype. It wasn't totally new. And it didn't have a "totally re-written Kernel" as one notable insider "Netted". Though they certainly cleared out the bloat and reworked some key performance issues. Media is noise to sell or noise to cut down. IT media doubly so.  It's conspiracy, or truth.  It's rarely balanced these days.

So I guess my only option is to drop Windows totally and move onto another OS, such as........?
Actually nothing comes to mind that I could use productively for what I do....  
Perhaps something will come out in 2015 that's "much better".  Hmm.. I wonder, and maybe it will be to rave and proclamation. What a nice surprise that will be.

@James2002; Yes Win 95, that's the way. Things were so much simpler then. InfoWorld would probably agree with you, but I'm not going there.

@Sysadmin; Perhaps you could fix the title of Amiga Org's most popular posting thread so it's at least literate.
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Re: Surface 3 - New direction, higher prices and crappy i3
« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2014, 04:18:41 PM »
Let's talk about the Surface 3 Pro's crappy i3.  What does crappy mean?   Well an I3 Intel processor in a HD device weighing 800gms.  That is pretty crappy when you think of it.
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Re: Surface 3 - New direction, higher prices and crappy i3
« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2014, 01:11:07 AM »
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That's bullshìt and you know it. You can turn off booting into Metro. That's all. You can't stop Metro from popping up when you hit the Windows key or get the Start menu back without a third-party hack - and even with a third-party hack, W8 only just approaches being as usable as 7. It's still got loads of issues - for instance, the fact that minimizing windows no longer sends them to the back of the Alt-Tab queue, so you can decide you're done with something for the moment and put it away only to then immediately switch back into it when you meant to go to something else. You end up having to bubble-sort your windows just to get them into the order that XP would've had them in all along.

Win8 is feces and everyone knows it except the True Faithful. You've lost, guys. Time to admit it.


While where talking about bullsh1t I can I let you in on a little real world conspiracy; You don't need to turn the start menu off. These hacks were for 8.0 and are 18 months old. 8.1 Will always start off where you left off.  If you're a desktop user and use it as a desktop user then it will go in the desktop. If you're a start menu user.. yes you guessed it.
It's simply based on how you shut down or hibernate.

At work I have colleagues that use 8.1 every day and use it as 8.1 not 7. This is obviously a subjective comment; but I envy the speed at which they work and its clear they have taken to the new OS more fully than myself.

In my view it comes down to two simple questions.
1. Are you a person that does the same things the same way all the time.
2. Are you a person that wants to learn new ways of doing things for the better.

The last question is predicated on the ideal that there may be a better way of doing things. When you approach it with a closed mind of course there's no way it could ever be true.

Many great ideas fail because of marketing or anti-marketing.  Unfortunately in the IT world you have to hype to get a look in.

The Surface was always put forward as a Tablet that can replace a Laptop.  The Anti hype turn that into "its not a tablet and it's not a laptop".  It took 10 years for the tablet to gain a foothold in our progressive technology loving world. My view is simply, that is because it was always aimed at people who were not willing to change and not willing to learn.  Aim it at young or non-industry people market it as a differentiator of their individuality and discerning taste and whammo; how quickly they line up.  Reminds me of a line out of Monty python: "Yes we are all individuals" chants the crowd.

As a diversion back onto the topic.  Here's an independent review of the Surface 3.  Have a look at the benchmarks.

http://www.engadget.com/2014/05/23/surface-pro-3-review/

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Re: Surface 3 - New direction, higher prices and crappy i3
« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2014, 01:43:39 AM »
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Or, alternately, you could approach it rationally and simple come to the conclusion that it's terrible ....


I thought I was being rational John. Have a read of the review.  Engaget can be pretty superficial but at least they announce opinion and subjectivity and don't glaze it as fact.

I tend to agree with part of your comment.  It's people that "looked at it" that don't like it. Not the one's using it.
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Re: Surface 3 - New direction, higher prices and crappy i3
« Reply #10 on: June 08, 2014, 04:21:02 PM »
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EDIT; So, tried the App Store, and now Windows insist I use the hotmail password to logon to my computer, not the custom admin password I made when Windows 8 was installed. Odd and annoying.
Maybe I should have KNOWN this would happen, but I cant really say I asked or was told by the OS that this would happen. Im sure there isnt anything "bad" that happens cause of this, but I personally dont like
programs/OSs taking "artistical freedoms" in giving you features you didnt explicitly asked for.


I was dubious about the same thing the first time I installed 8.  But once I took the plunge there are a lot of benefits in having a live account.  1. All your settings follow you. 2. You get extra security features for your device.  3. Your apps are licensed on all your devices (if you have more than one) The are no proprietary microcosms that don't require you to supply a valid email address. So go nuts and download Flappy Bird and all the other crap in there.  Bamboo Page, Fresh Paint and Hill Climb Racing is fun.

@Persia, yes, the runtime environment.  AKA RT to make it even more confusing.
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Re: Surface 3 - New direction, higher prices and crappy i3
« Reply #12 on: March 31, 2015, 10:54:45 PM »
Surface 3 (not Pro) on pre-order now.  Runs full 8.1 on an Intel atom quad 2.6ghz(burst).
So the smaller version of the surface still exists just no longer in the RT form.

By the way @pyromania  iOS has no support for a mouse. And nor should it. It's a touch device.