Amiga's place in the modern computing world - 00s

[Raffaele]

amigakidd wrote:

PC = PC Guy in Suit
Mac = Mac Guy Cool.
Amiga = Tattoed Skat3r Guy

Actually Amiga-CHAN mascot is not tatooed, and she looks sure a pretty cute anime girl...  ;-)  :roll:



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[Raffaele]

bloodline wrote:

bloodline wrote:
I can't think of anything about the Amiga that isn't obsolete

Keyboard? Hasn't changed much in 30 years.

Hmmm, true! Also the mouse... though it's not optical so yes, it's also obsolete :-)

WTF?

Mouse it is accessory. You can buy cheap optical and/or laser mouses and it works flawlessly even on Amiga...

(Mouse adapter needed on required motherboards)

[Raffaele]

How pityful and pathetic are those people saying my ACTUAL PC/Macintosh could do more than I ever made with my Amiga...

Piss off!

It is obvious that actual hardware surpasses many times a 20 years old hardware, and actual software is handy and useful, and recent OSs are full of EYE-CANDY graphical GUIs...

But it is still true that ONLY THE AMIGA it is the only 20 years old hardware+software system capable (with decent Accelerator, graphic card, and Audio Card [Maybe PCI-BUS based]) to be still productive to write documents, browse internet and get mail and FTP (without be harassed from viruses), and to listen music, and good enough for painting and image retouching too...

Give Amiga enough Horse-Powered CPUs and modern hardware with decent BUS DMA passthru band, and Amiga will kick'em all in the ass!  ;-)  :roll:  :-P  :lol:

[Raffaele]

B00tDisk wrote:

Raffaele wrote:

But it is still true that ONLY THE AMIGA it is the only 20 years old hardware+software system capable (with decent Accelerator, graphic card, and Audio Card [Maybe PCI-BUS based]) to be still productive to write documents, browse internet and get mail and FTP (without be harassed from viruses), and to listen music, and good enough for painting and image retouching too...

I've got a closet full of Mac systems from about 1989 onward that would like to disagree with you.

Macintosh OS upto version 9 it is the most ugly Operating System ever written...

Upto version 7 it is full of bugs and it is heavily hacked by Apple developers to keep all the system up and running.

There is a document somewhere on internet (if the site is still up... I don't know), publishing the true witness of developers of Fusion Mac-Amiga emulator (or èerhaps was it Emplant emulator??? I vaguely remember it).

They disassembled MacOS and found it full of spaghetti code.

And regard any other machine I used at University Macintoshes with PPC 600 MHz CPU and MacOS 9...

And I never seen an OS lesser responsible than Macintosh...

Believe me... It should be a very ugly OS such an OS that makes the PPC CPU to seat down...

In comparison even a 200 MHz ancient Amiga accelerator card gives the same response feeling than a 600 MHz Macintosh...

And it is not a problem of hardware....

Hardware of Macintoshes was almost perfect... It was just all OSs previous than MacOS X hat are bad written and very low performing...

But MacOS X does not enter the competition... It is just FreeBSD (to gain stability, reliability and multitasking) hacked with macintosh interface GUI.

[Raffaele]

Sig999 wrote:

Raffaele wrote:

But it is still true that ONLY THE AMIGA it is the only 20 years old hardware+software system capable (with decent Accelerator, graphic card, and Audio Card [Maybe PCI-BUS based])

But after you've added all that stuff - it's not really all 20 year old hardware - is it?  If you're going to say '20 year old hardware/software - then strip it down to that and go for it.  Otherwise it's just a fallacious comment.

 to be still productive to write documents, browse internet and get mail and FTP (without be harassed from viruses), and to listen music, and good enough for painting and image retouching too...

Piss off yourself.


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Don't make a fool of yourself...

1) Any Amiga accelerator card it is not produced after 1996...

So even the PPC acclerator cards in Amiga have 12 years on their shoulders...

2) Amiga can mount modern PCI graphic card, and sound card...

No your stupid Acurn Athari and Macinzozz built upto 1992 could mount modern PCI cards.

Only the Amiga has enough manufacturers to create such beautiful BUS extenders like Prometheus and mount modern PCI card, USB 2.0, etrcetera and still being productive with software built upto 1999...

Because Amiga software was far superior in its ages that it could still be used with profit.

Oh... and even a 68030 Amiga with 50 MHz is still productive...

And it emulates classic Macintosh better than Macintosh real hardware...

With the difference that a 68030/50 Amiga is still being usable, while ancient 68030/50 Macintoshes are so sloooooooow and so poor responsive that they seats on their ass.  

[Raffaele]

bloodline wrote:

Just off the top of my head I can run Netscape Navigator on a stone age 68k Mac... that's better than the Amiga.. sadly... :-(

Now your statements are a bit gratuitous...

Sure you used Macintosh Machines, and it is obvious that in the age of 68K machines these Mac machines were far more expensive than any Amiga, but have also many, many RAM onboard as standard feature that let them run Netscape Navigator far better than any Amiga could run its browsers...

In that Age, Amiga abandoned its first browser, Amiga Mosaic, that was enhanced far more than original Mosaic, and switched to programs like Ibrowse, AWeb, Voyager, that were still BETA software full of bugs...

Also Netscape Navigator was supported with a robust team of developers, while Amiga browsers were maintaned by little teams.

To make you an example

I have all issues of italian magazine "Enigma Amiga"...

In these historical issues of this magazine (upto 1994/1996 there are well explained how to install Macintosh emulator on Amiga, go on Apple stores and buy the original MacOS, and then install it on the emulated Macintosh, because Office for Mac and Internet browsers for Mac were better than Amiga counterparts...

But it is still true that Amiga with enough RAM and decent CPUs could emulate the Mac, better than any real Macintosh Hardware and make these browsers run far better than real Mac.

Again then when Amiga browsers evolved, then they surpassed Netscape Navigator in many camps...

All over the internet there are testimoniances of people that could affirm that Voyager on Amiga, with enough RAM and a decent processor, it is a very pleasant and unsurpassed experience, more satisfying than any other browser on any platform...

Unfortunately Voyager development was stopped and it could manage only HTML 3.2 without CSS...

Also Netscape Navigator is officially dead...

So we could not see any actual match of performances involving these two browsers in a leal competition.

[Raffaele]

Sig999 wrote:

Raffaele wrote:

Don't make a fool of yourself...

1) Any Amiga accelerator card it is not produced after 1996...

So even the PPC acclerator cards in Amiga have 12 years on their shoulders...

2) Amiga can mount modern PCI graphic card, and sound card...

No your stupid Acurn Athari and Macinzozz built upto 1992 could mount modern PCI cards.

Only the Amiga has enough manufacturers to create such beautiful BUS extenders like Prometheus and mount modern PCI card, USB 2.0, etrcetera and still being productive with software built upto 1999...

Because Amiga software was far superior in its ages that it could still be used with profit.

Oh... and even a 68030 Amiga with 50 MHz is still productive...

And it emulates classic Macintosh better than Macintosh real hardware...

With the difference that a 68030/50 Amiga is still being usable, while ancient 68030/50 Macintoshes are so sloooooooow and so poor responsive that they seats on their ass.  

Ah... so when you say 20 years - you really meant 12 years?

What part of: "Classic Amiga Hardware has 20 years and even latest acclerator card made for Amiga are 12 years old!" you do not understood?  :roll:

[Raffaele]

bloodline wrote:

Yes, but as soon as you add that 12 year old Accelerator card and that 10 year old PCI bus board and that 8 year old PCI-GFX card and that 9 year old PCI-SoundCard and that 5 year old PCI-USB card... the machine you are talking about is not 20 years old anymore...

Excuse my poor english But in Amiga you can use ancient Picasso96 cards still 20 years old, or even add EL-CHEAPO PCI graphic card that are 5 years old...

I do not see a crime in this...

Still it is only 1992 computer that can mount internal modern PCI Cards with BUS expander...

Also do not make silly statements attempting to confusing readers...

20 years old motherboard it is still 20 years old motherboard...

You can't change this fact...

[Raffaele]

bloodline wrote:

Does this paragraph support or weaken your argument? I appreaciate English may not be your first language, and I'm having difficulty understanding.

No english is not my native language...

So 20 years ago the Mac had better software than the Amiga had 20 years ago... fine...

Again attempting to confuse readers?

As I said here

Raffaele wrote:

Also Netscape Navigator was supported with a robust team of developers, while Amiga browsers were maintaned by little teams.

Better software it was just a matter of better investments and big development teams made of many many people...

Amiga had decent software comparing to PCs and Macintoshes, but she never did in Office camp and in Browsers...

She was enough good in Music, painting, videoediting... she has some decent wordprocessors and some usable browsers.

So what?

Also Netscape Navigator is officially dead...

So is the Amiga...

And so is dead your poor old 68K Macintosh and so is dead your precious PPC Macintosh running dinosaur MacOS...

So please don't bother us continuing using it as they were precious evidences to improve and to enhance your babbling...

[Raffaele]

Sig999 wrote:
So...hang on....

Amiga browsers were unsurpassed and better than Netscape Navigator.....

or Amiga had not so good software in browsers compared to the Mac?

I'm confused... which is it?

Seriously.

I used netscape on 486 DX2 100 MHz and on Macintosh (I think it was Mac II FX (), and it did not seem to me such a great software...

Sure on Windows it hanged too much times...

On Mac it was far better more reliable...

It was good compared to Amiga browsers because it had many, many many options.

but this is a matter of MONEY, investments and enormous developing teams...

I used Amiga browsers only on Amiga machines that were not mine, with few RAM, and these browsers were still buggy versions so I could not say they were better or worse than Netscape Navigator.

Sure they lacked many features, but they are lightweight and performed quite good their task to make me surfing the internet.

Personally I found wintel and some Macintosh browsers ENORMOUS and hungry of RAM compared to Amiga software of the same class...

This sure makes Amiga better than these browsers on different platforms.

Recently on some Amiga forum sites (I remember it on Amigaworld.net, if I remeber it well) I read the testimoniances of people who used Voyager last version and they said that the feeling they had with Voyager it was better than any browser experience they had...

I could not testimony it by myself, because I do not own Voyager, so I can only report their comments...

Why I should not believe them?

(/seaching the internet to find these testimonies)

[Raffaele]

Warning:

I remember of Voyager and I said that was better experience than Netscape for many Amiga users, but seems that better experience in Amiga was with IBrowse AND NOT Voyager...

With a brief search in google I found twice:

First testimony is the inquirer of Interview with Bill Panagouleas asking him why to insist with Mozilla when he prefers Ibrowse far better:

http://www.discreetfx.com/AmiZillaInterview.htm

And here is some mail collected of some people discussing...

One is affirming that Mozilla sucks more than Ibrowse

http://www.mail-archive.com/voyager@vapor.com/msg11911.html

Found more when I have some time, had to leave internet connection for almost three hours...

P.S.

I actually use Opera on my laptop PC Wintel, Sputnik and AWeb on my Pegasos/MorphOS...

So I have no more problems with modern HTML 4.0 and CSS that afflicts old Amiga browsers.