Amiga OS4 on old (PPC) Macs

[Raffaele]

Oliver wrote:
Please don't take this as trolling, but...

Apart from the hobby/nostalgia factor, is there actually any real reason to use OS4?

Small footprint OS with no resource consuming...

Easy to learn, easy to use...

Logical hyerarchical structure of peripherals and directories...

Directory names are easy to learn and remember...

You will take it all at your command, you control everything in the OS with very few applications:

"Info" DOScommand tells you what are the partitions and main devices connected to the systems

Snoopium, SnoopDOS or Scout, depending on the Amiga system that you are using, they tell you of everything running into it... (Malicious software could be easily spotted and deleted).

Now let see the three major competitors...

- Windows spies you... Try to use MediaPlayer in Windoze... it will send your playlist into internet spreading your preferences and telling it to Microsoft, which thinks that htey can use your music and video preferences to send you commercial advertising thru WindowsMediaPlayer..

You must use twek programs to get rid of this spy behaviour...

It opens a plethora of unwanted services...

You, the common Joe User can't get rid of many of these unwanted services!

Windows update system could run suddenly without the intervent of the user and download unwanted windows updates, not only those which correct windows exploits, but also those installing DRM systems on your machines...

You can stop it, but it pops suddenly in secret running in Kenrl mode, completely hidden to the user...

How Bad...

- Linux requires a degree in information Technology to be mastered...

Its system of directories it is huge and homungus

Applications in Linux requires lots of dependencies, and not all dependencies could result compatible with your hardware configurations...

The gaphical GUI named KDE it is elephantiac and slooooow...

- Macintosh MacOS X sure it seems an OS for anyone, but really it is a OS for geeks (its core it is a FreeBSD Unix like OS, and it shares all the difficulties of any Linux. It requires a degree in information technology to be mastered)...

But all this power it is hidden to the user who is unaware of it...

An interface for VSP (Very Stupid People) hide all the power of MacOS X underneath and the users continues being threaten as baby bimbo, and he stays close in a cage of graphical eyecandies...

Any change you made, the systems pops up myriads of warnings messages, and ballon help windows...

If you are an experienced user of Macintosh you can get rid of all these messages, but you must know where to put your hands and how to uncheck their entries in the vaste preferences system of MacOS X.  

But the meanings of it all is that Apple consider vaste majority of their users as baby bimbos who are uncapable to evolve to experienced users...

Only he who has the courage to dig the macintosh , he will become experienced...

The vaste majority of Mac Users are only unexperienced rich people who buy macs becuse they have a gorgeous hardware design... They can't even manage how to copy&paste, and are afraid of the fact that to eject CDs, DVDs you must put their icons on the trashcan...

(Really I saw people afraid of doing that, because they believed they will wipe out their floppy or CD contents by putting it in the trashcan...

Once at university I couldn't use a Mac II machine beacuse the day before, a girl mangled the floppy drive mechanism by extracting a floppy using a biro pen and a metal clip...

She didn't know how to eject it... LOL! :-o  :roll: )

The common mac users are just stuck to simple writing and navigating internet... Then they will stay forever completely dummy lamers.  :lol:  :-P  :-P

[Raffaele]

persia wrote:
It would be hard for Amiga to compete without a killer app, actually without any of the "standard" apps let alone a killer app.  It can render web pages

Amiga browsers such as AWeb and IBrowse render web pages upto HTML 3.2 and no CSS...

Although nowadays vaste majority of forum sites, and newspaper sites are now full of CSS...

Luckily it is now available OWB Browser [see news here on Amiga.org] which handle both HTML 4 and CSS and then you can see any internet page...

can't handle html mail.

You can tell your mail program to view it thru external HTML viewers such as Strangé (pronounced as "Strange-eh")

http://alfie.altervista.org/soft/strange.html

http://alfie.altervista.org/images/strange.jpg



That uses htmlview datatype

It's video and audio editors are primitive.

Sure you are right about video editors... But take a look at modern Amiga audio editors...

Have you ever seen programs such as DigiboosterPro, or Sound-FX or HD-REC?



http://www.hd-rec.de/

  You can't open Adobe docs

http://www.flickr.com/photos/54643129@N00/714589386/

 or see flash on youtube.

For simply flash swf files the Amiga SWF player has just being updated two days ago

http://aminet.net/package/gfx/show/FlashPlayer

For common handling of Youtube, in MorphOS we have a good italian Arexx script TUBEXX, which performs all the task simply using HTTPResume and mPlayer.

Some OS4 users in Italy are porting it to OS4...

http://www.webalice.it/pgermano/tubexx/main.html

You can't edit raw images.

Digicamgui reads any Camera with PICTBRIDGE standard:

http://www.seal-amiga.co.uk/robert/amipodder/projects.html#digicamgui



PTPDigCAM:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/54643129@N00/712913997/

Also MorphOS ShowGirls could import various image formats such as RAW...

http://www.webalice.it/fulvio.peruggi/public/Pegasos&MorphOS/Articles/06_MorphOS_TLOS/showgirls_001.jpg

See also:

http://amiga.sourceforge.net/

And check there for ImageMagick suite...

You can't edit and host webpages on it.

Metalweb:

http://www.vapor.com/metalweb/



Amaya (available thru cygnix X11 engine):

http://os4depot.net/?function=showfile&file=network/browser/amaya.zip

http://wookiechat.amigarevolution.com/pics/amaya_os4_1.png
http://wookiechat.amigarevolution.com/pics/amaya_os4_2.png

Famous Apache web-manager (native on Amiga):

You can't open a Word document.

http://pegasos.jinak.cz/clanky/amiga_programy/final_writer.gif

Amiga Writer loads Word files upto version 6 or 7 (Word2000)

I do not remember exactly what of them...

Documents of Word 6 or 7 could be easily loaded and saved by any Windows Office Suite...

Who would buy it and why?  

Sure you have been away from Amiga scene from loooong time don't you?
 :roll:  :lol:  :-P  :-P

[Raffaele]

DBAlex wrote:
@motorollin:

Holy Cr*p man!

Could you send the files to me perhaps? (Shall I PM you my Email?)

I have a late 2005 G4 Mini with a 64mb Radeon 9200, Will it work?

Thanks, Alex.  :-o [Posted from the Mac Mini]

AHHHH!

At least one people with the right MacMini and the right Firmware...

Please let him download that wannabe loader, so he could test it, and in the end we will see if that was an hoax or not...

However Alex be careful...

backup your MacOS X installation, because this loader could be malicious software and harm your computer...

I warned you...  :oops:

[Raffaele]

by AeroMan on 2007/12/30 1:44:26

@Raffaele

Wow, quite cool... ... I'm a bit outdated about Amiga Apps.
What is the base machine I need to run all of this ?

Audio programs run with normal Classic Amigas, you just add some more ram and a good accelerator card with at least 68020...

You must have also good soundcards to get them work at their best...

Metalweb web-designer it is not produced anymore by Vaporware, if I remember well, but you can still found it in some shops.

It will be better if someone could buy the program sources and update it and enhance it with new features.

The same it is for AmigaWriter.

Amaya runs with any Amiga equipped with Cygnix X11 engine...

But even if Cygnix it is 68K compliant, it is better to run it from a PPC... Else it will slow down the 68xxx (020, 030, 040) and become to be usable starting from 68040, 68060

Programs like Showgirls work only into MorphOS PPC...

PTPdigCam and DigicamGUI should work on PPC hardware...

Strangé HTML Viewer for Email programs (and more) works on any Amiga (with at least OS2.1 I think)

OWB works only on PPC OS4.0

Amiga Apache I don't know if it has been updated recently but it works flawlessly even on ancient Amigas...

Sure you need to have at least 68020, 030, or 040 if you do not just want to create webpages to be put in servers, and you want that your Amiga will be the server...

But sure Amiga Apache it is hard to be hacked...

There was an Amiga Server in 1999/2000 which sustained heavy DDOS attack, and pirates were not capable to hacking it...

Then it generates so much trafic that the provider closed the communication with it, but it was not taken down by the malicious attacks...

(Must find again the forum site and forum thread in which I read of this fact...)  :roll:

[Raffaele]

Sorry double post...

[Raffaele]

DBAlex wrote:

PHWEW! When my brotehr who was checking the internet told me that Alex succeded I could not believe in him. I believe It was joking with me...

But I understood Alex bootloaded ENTIRE AmigaOS 4.0...

Also when I come back home I totally in a comatose state, and when I saw first screens I want to cry of joy, but I also feared for DBAlex... I think that someone could had sued him for running not-legal copy of AmigaOS 4.0...
I suggested him to remove all...

When I get more lucid I saw that it is just Kickstart awaiting for oiriginal OS 4.0...

However I send you 3 Private Messages Alex advicing you...

Well... It was a nice night and full of good news, after all the bad situation I had in my family recently...

I need to see some good Amiga news for the new year, really I want for something really new and exciting. And these news are coming...

I read three or 4 times all the threads about this success of DBAlex, I also answered all threads but I still need some sleep or I will collapse.

Good Morning for you all and good night for me...

[Raffaele]

humppa wrote:

The video is gone btw. was it removed by Amiga inc?  

Maybe Alex got scared after he got the 3 PMs from Raffaele (which he wrote in a "comatose state") and accordingly removed the video.  :lol:

Nope... Me too want to download that video and see it but it was already broken or removed link...

I come back home at 2:15am yesterday, I gor some food, and I start digging internet at 3:00?, 3:20? am to discover if DBAlex had htested it or not, and proof ONCE AND FOR ALL if that loader was a fake or a real thing...

Well... Now we all could affirm that seems that it was a real thing...

But sure at 3:00 of night, full of sleep needing, I navigated and I wrote the PM to DBAlex really in a sort of comatose state, posting the phrases sort of this:

Attention please...............(I closed eyes)...............DBAlex.....(Yawn)......I saw you posted........(OH geez what he posted? Do not remember...)... .........screens of OS 4.0........(SNORT!).........that sure are illegal.......(EH?)......and you could be sued for that....

Because I saw the images of the Kickstart and I was so intoxicated by sleep, that I believed these were images of OS 4.0...

I started believing that the loader had just a copy of pirated OS 4.0 autostarting as a live CD, and I fell afraid that DbAlex could be could be sued for the images he posted...

Fortunately those screenshots I saw and I was uncapable to recognize correctly were just images of Kickstart... NO OS 4.0 at all...                                                      

And DBAlex he was just incidentally a person who had the hardware needed to perform the test..

And DBALex just was asked by many people here on this forum (me too) to test the alien loader on his machine, because we all want to prove if that loader was a real thing or a fake...  :rtfm:

He could not be held responsible if the loader we asked him to test, then functioned and revealed to be a working version of something we could n't still affirm being a real loader or nothing impotant ...

[Raffaele]

A1260 wrote:
Unfortunately for you the OS4 fans, that dont seem to understand this not being a hoax is definitely not a very good thing. Instead you are mostly cheering. You all is too stupid to see the big picture. Reminds me of Lemmings.

The probability of new lawsuits materializing between old and new players has greatly increased.

A smart firm (but unfortunately Amiga firms are not THAT smart) who want to enter the profitable market of second hand Macintosh machines, then it will avoid any lawsuits...

Instead of that this firm have one great chance...

They could accept the situation that it was stolen an incomplete (fortunately) AmigaOS on Mac hardware loader, and this is better than any advertising campaign to publicize the world that it exisits such a software product...

This will increase future sells of Amiga loaders in Macintosh market...

Also they will renounce the lawsuits BUT they will hire a contract with the producers of the loader in order to let them COMPLETE it...

(actually the loader it is incomplete AND ALMOST UNUSABLE)

Then this hypotetical firm will make an agreement with the OS manufacturers, in order to let them realize an OS running on that loader...

They will gain some % extra royalties (percent extra royalties) from the contract, renouncing publicly to any lawsuit... :idea:

(The owners of IP will gain extra money royalties as amend to any damages they could have suffered)

More money in their pockets... lesser spending for lawyers and related expenses...

At least all the three firms could sell the "OS + Loader" package into second hand macintosh PPC market, and earn lots of money...

A smart firm will perform all these moves QUICKLY...

Before any macitosh pirate could hack the loader and let it run really and then pirate AmigaOS...

DBAlex has now actually helped Amiga Inc, I think we have not seen any court document on this matter because it has not been proved working, now that Amiga Inc have proof you can expect a document stating HOW Hyperion has NOT been able to protect their IP and moving their Amiga Inc's operating system to another hardware that is not licenced, aka not AmigaOne. Amiga Inc probably have a copy of the leaked iso also.

So what? They never moved to another hardware publicly...

The loader was just a proof of concept...


More... It is incomplete, and stating from Bill McEwen evidences, Amiga Inc. already knew this loader existed.  

If I were Amiga Inc., then I start thinking all the money they could earn from royalties, instead thjan sue in court trial Hyperion...

Also if I were in Amiga INc. shoes, then I will contact the author and grant him a very lucrative contract :rtfm: and hire him in the Amiga Inc. Team...

If Andrea Vallinotto succeded in realizing the AmigaOS on Mac Kernel, then HE IS THE BEST PROGRAMMER EVER...

He who made this loader deserves all our RESPECT!

He realized what none believed it was possible... Running AmigaOS on Mac!  :-o



An intelligent businessman do not sue such a great programmer for having lost (being stolen) his laptop with all Moana job-in-progress files in it...

Instead of that... an intelligent businessman will hire such a great programmer, letting him enter his major development team (maybe AmigaOS 5 made in Amiga India???) and letting him create new things, new programs, new kernels, using all his p0waa l33t 5k1llz of great coder.