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Re: Giant Tsunami in Indian Ocean: 60000+ Dead
« on: December 29, 2004, 04:33:24 PM »
UN Warns of Huge Bill as Tsunami Toll Mounts [Scotsman.com]

The cost of rescues and reconstruction is going to cost billions of dollars!

The US has given $35 million dollars in aid (the republicans spent $240 million on advertising alone in the run-up to the elections.) They were just gonna give $15 million until the UN called them stingy. And good old Blighty has forked out a whopping £15 million.

These might seem like vast sums of money to you and me but on a global scale it really is peanuts. Nothing near the billions needed which could easily be afforded. It shows how much our governments really care about people.

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Re: Giant Tsunami in Indian Ocean: 60000+ Dead
« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2004, 07:58:27 PM »
An update to my earlier post...

Britons Donate to Disaster Appeal on 'Unprecedented' Scale

After our governments shockingly poor gesture of aid to the tune of £15 million, many Britons were unsatisfied and we have put our hands in our pockets and raised a further £22 million. Showing the governments donation up for what it was, they have had to react and be a tiny weenie bit more generous - the new figure from new labour is £50 million.

hmm.

I'm still not particularly satisfied with this. We could easily do better. I have an idea, lets ditch the ID card and personal information database idea that most people don't really want (or shouldn't if they do ;-) ) which is going to cost countless billions and give the kind of aid that is really needed. A hundred times what we've raised so far would be more like it. And the US could be even less "stingy" if it really wanted to too.

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Re: Giant Tsunami in Indian Ocean: 23000+ Dead
« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2004, 01:22:28 AM »
I take it I'm the guy wielding harpoons in Chris' mind. I believe this to be either another case of me being seen to be American-people-bashing when in fact I only intend (rightly or wrongly) to bash the American government, or a case of patriotism created resentment because I *am* bashing the great, powerful and unquestionable Bush government. Either way I couldn't care less and make no apologies.

If this dude is right and the US (government) are going to be much more favourable to the people in desperate need then I am all for it and I salute them for it. And I have read about and acknowledge the vast sums of money being raised by American people and I salute them too.

Seeing as this is such a touchy subject I'll let it drop. But I stand by what I have said no matter how others will try yet again to distort me.

[edit]Whoops, forgot the important bit:

My comment about the US (government not people) was an after-thought and I wish I hadn't bothered making it now. I'm more concerned with our government being "stingy". So I guess I'm antiUK too. I'm anti-myself. It sux.[/edit]

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Re: Giant Tsunami in Indian Ocean: 120000+ Dead
« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2005, 06:04:10 PM »
Lots of fresh information about the disaster and relief efforts in the area can be found on the following blog:

The South-East Asia Earthquake and Tsunami Blog

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Re: Giant Tsunami in Indian Ocean: 23000+ Dead
« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2005, 03:08:52 PM »
Karlos,

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I think we all need to keep focused on doing what we can and not arguing for a change.


But what can we do? Where do we go from here? There is a very good Leader article in the New Statesman this week with some suggestions which are worth look at:

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It would be wrong to belittle the generosity of many westerners - often those who, by the standards of their own societies, are hard up - and wrong, too, to deny that it may be more uplifting to give voluntarily than to be forced to contribute through taxation. Yet the hard truth is that, if we really wish to help developing countries, we have to do more than deny ourselves a few glasses of wine. We have to pay more for the goods we buy from those countries; allow them more favourable terms of trade; forgive them many billions of pounds in debt; permit them to manufacture and sell cheaper medicines; require multinationals to repatriate more of their profits; welcome economic migrants more warmly; pledge a fixed proportion of our national income in aid for years to come. All these are within the power of governments, rather than individuals, and all would have uncomfortable implications for western consumers, western jobs, western businesses, western financial institutions and western economies in general. Do Gordon Brown and Tony Blair really have the courage to propose and see through such a programme? And would people vote for them if they did?


Sorry for the big quote. I had trouble trimming that down and gave in.

If anything positive is to come from this terrible event it might be to prove that we who have been very fortunate to be born in rich countries (or be accepted residence in them) do care about our brothers and sisters in poor parts of the world and do want to reduce or even end their suffering, even if it means causing ourselves some inconvenience.

As I've already gone overboard, here's the final part of the article on the questions about how God could allow such a thing as the tsunami to happen:

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These are the wrong questions, and atheists have no business wasting their time on them. It is far more pertinent to ask how human beings, particularly the more powerful and wealthy among us, can remain indifferent to a daily toll of poverty, disease and hunger that it is well within their means to end. The condition of Africa and much of Asia questions our humanity, not the divinity of a hypothetical God.


Amen to that.

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