Piracy on two counts

[zhulien]

omg, I can't believe how many anal people I know in the Amiga community who jump up and down when they see Amiga software pirated, but then go and pirate Amstrad CPC or C64 software (which has NOT been officially placed into the public domain).  double standard?  I think so!

(btw, someone will probably delete this post as they did in the other similar thread - I guess they are one of these double-standard people)

[zhulien]

personally, I like the fact I get a nicely packaged product and generally buy them, but if others pirate software I couldn't care less - I'm especially against idiots who say it's ok to pirate eg: c64 software but not Amiga software - they are just inconsistent morons - pick a side ffs (I totally dislike people though selling it, that is a criminal offense here, and it takes away potential customers from my business)

[zhulien]

in reality the availability of the software doesn't make it free for the taking/selling whether it's c64, amiga, amstrad cpc or gameboy advance. it doesn't matter whether there's a company around to sue or not.  if you copy it for personal use or sell it though has different legal ramifications based on the law of where you live as to whether it's a criminal offence or not.  but there is no distinguishing of one platform is ok to pirate for and another isn't.  this is what I dislike about some anal people, they seem to have different opinions regarding platforms and piracy.  honestly I don't think I know a single person (friends, or even colleges at work) who hasn't copied a computer program, a picture, a piece of text (without proper quoting), recorded a tv program prior to 3 years ago (which was illegal here), copies mp3s to their ipod etc... whether the copyright laws are moral or not, whether you pirate for personal use or not (ie: rip your music cds for listening on your computer), honestly I couldn't care less, but... what I hate is buying software on ebay and receiving pirated stuff.  if they were outright open and said they were selling pirated software, fine, I'll just avoid it.  the amount of pirated gameboy advance games are actually so bad on ebay that I just cannot buy gameboy advance games anymore from there.  and no, I don't think amiga, c64, amstrad cpc software are ok to sell pirated.

[zhulien]

dannyp1 wrote:
They have drawn a moral line in the sand which is not always the legal line.
Dan      :getmad:

Let's look at it another way... so you are happy to screw over the few remaining retailers who may specialise in selling both new and used software for uncommon systems (eg: amstrad cpc, c64, amiga) but not the current developers?

[zhulien]

I guess if you ignore laws and base things on morals, everyone has different values.  eg: you don't mind people selling pirated stuff if it doesn't hurt current developers (even though it hurts current retailers) and I don't mind people pirating stuff for their own purpose as long as they don't sell it... there's probably other grounds too.  yes, i do download Amstrad CPC games and play them, and still buy NEW/used originals for it too (even though it's a 1984 computer!).  I don't play Amiga games though and recently sold off all my Amiga games (not utilities) and got good prices mind you.  I use the utilities on my Pegasos 2 and hense I kept the originals.

[zhulien]

I generally don't buy software to support anyone.  I buy it because I want an original.  I am not going to "pay" for a copy.  I won't actually pay for a download either (like Nintendo Wii Virtual Console games or things from itunes) for the reason, I want an original physical product.

As for licencing.  I don't really care much for that.  The fact I've bought something, that's enough for me.  Heck, what was I supposed to do with my MS Windows XP which I bought?  Tick I don't agree and therefore write off the money I bought it for?  No, I tick agree regardless because I bought it.  If they wanted me to agree to something, they should have got me to agree BEFORE selling it to me.  Having said that, I haven't actually broken their EULA as far as I know, but it doesn't stop me totally disagreeing with it.

[zhulien]

eslapion wrote:
I find it right to replicate a product, software or hardware, if the owner of the intellectual property has made it explicit they couldn't care that people make copies

I agree