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Offline MotormouthTopic starter

Which is the better scsi card for the A4000?
« on: May 08, 2011, 03:57:03 AM »
Which is the better scsi card?

The IVS Trumpcard Pro
AMD 53c80 based

or the Dataflyer Plus without the IDE control
AMD 5380 based

I happen to have both scsi cards "lying around"
I wish I had a 4091 for the 4000, or better yet commodore could have put a scsi in the thing.
« Last Edit: May 08, 2011, 04:02:01 AM by Motormouth »
 

Offline MotormouthTopic starter

Re: Which is the better scsi card for the A4000?
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2011, 05:03:34 PM »
Quote from: alexh;636488
They are both pretty crap.

Both are Zorro II without DMA and so offer no bandwidth or CPU load advantages over using the A4000's IDE.

Unless you've got a SCSI device you want to use... I'd leave them "lying around" and save electricity.

@motrucker  I obviously would prefer a zorro III scsi card, or a scsi on an accelerator, but......

Would a zorro II DMA scsi card work any better?  Would I need to install 16 bit fast ram to get DMA to work as some zorro II DMA cards default to PIO when transfering to 32-bit ram.

I have a GVP scsi card in one of my A2000s that I could switch out.
« Last Edit: May 08, 2011, 05:11:44 PM by Motormouth »
 

Offline MotormouthTopic starter

Re: Which is the better scsi card for the A4000?
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2011, 01:11:07 AM »
Quote from: alexh;636604
A GVP card with some RAM on it should work use the CPU far less than IDE. But if you have a fast CPU then it will be slower.


And @Laserback
"there is no zorro II scsi card that will work better or faster than the A4000 motherboard IDE."

Darn, Yes this make sense, and is what I hypothesized.

Thanks, for all your help!!!
 

Offline MotormouthTopic starter

Re: Which is the better scsi card for the A4000?
« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2011, 01:24:18 AM »
Basically DMA called is direct memory access can as it sounds can make transfers directly to memory.  PIO mode stands for programmed I/O requires the CPU to get involved, taking CPU cycles.  The problem with many zorro II DMA cards is they can only "DMA" to 16bit memory on a A3000 or A4000 the 32bit memory is at a different location.  Some zorro II cards can DMA to 32 bit memory in an a3000 or a4000 but the transfer is only 16bit and can slow things down in other ways.

I have a habit having some 16bit fast ram, 2megs or  more, in my a2000s and a500s even if I have a 32bit accelerator cards.  This aids in DMA transfers on their respective the 16 bit buses.  On A3000s or a4000s it is a bit of different story.

The A4091 is a zorro III card and can used the 32 bit bus.

Quote from: AmigaPixel;637321
I am still a little confused at how and when the Amiga made use of PIO versus DMA, specifically with SCSI and IDE configurations. I remember it was always a big deal that the Amiga had DMA channels