If Tramiel bought Amiga?

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This made me wonder..

"From this point on the former Amiga Corporation was a division of Commodore. Over the next few years many employees felt Commodore's management proved to be as annoying as Atari's, and most of the team members left, were laid off or were fired."

If Tramiel had bought the Amiga Corporation, is it likely his management style would been more successful than that of Commodore. It of course would required that Tramiel had the finance to fund further development.
If the Amiga team were rushing to find alternative funding than that of Atari once they heard Tramiel were in negotiations to buy that company there ought to be a reason

There's a third path, what if Amiga found funds to make it on their own?, or would it needed the distribution and marketing network of Atari, Commodore etc?
(or maybe Jobs would have bought Amiga )

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What about the third path, where Amiga had gotten capital to develop the system on its own?

The system as it were would certainly not managed after 1997, but I count on that with proper development there would been a replacement in the same spirit but different hardware.

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All options are b0rked

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A better idea would have been, what if someone ELSE stepped forward who also had distribution and marketing...

Say, Tandy or even... (should I say it???)  Microsoft..  (Hey, they've tried hardware several times over the years..)
Maybe IBM?  (Don't laugh, they were just looking into OS/2 in 85..  Would have been an interesting idea and a way for them to get back at Microsoft..)

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I think any serious candidate would have to employ a management style that let's the development team to flourish. In that respect both Microsoft and IBM have proven they can't handle it. Maybe Apple would, but it would look nice, be horrible expensive and perform like crap but be easy to use , dunno about Tandy.

At the core seems to be capital, distribution, and management style.

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So what company would been the best candidate in 1984?

And why?

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the mistakes with A1000

What mistake?, I was under the impression that Amiga 1000 was really good. But Commodore didn't keep the steam up. And THEN the competition ate them. They could have launched the A500 earlier thoe!

But the A2000 maybe should have something more than space for Zorro-II to offer. Ev
er seen a new PC that didn't go 50% faster, cheaper, more flickery and gazzilion "integrated" stuff than the previous?

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This was partly due to vertical integration

Stupid question, but what do you mean by that in this case?

and partly due to their production team doing whatever it took to ship every machine.

Why wouldn't they ship?

By 1989 commodore should have had something new. They milked it for far too long, something Jack wouldn't have.

This seems like a deja vu of how Apple handled the Macintosh and milked it until they had to hire Jobs for lots of money which did a complete overhaul with Mac OS X, Intel, and vision.

It's not certain that Jack would have bought the Amiga if he'd stayed at Commodore though, the Z machine would have probably been released instead.

What's the specifications for the "Z machine" ?

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Then laptops would be an example of vertical integration?, guess it saves costs per unit in volume. But cost when upgrade is needed.

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Actually before Jay left, the Ranger chipset had better capabilities than AGA.

1024x1024 7bit color.

It also used dual ported VRAM so I doubt it would slow down the way AGA does in higher resolution modes.

Still they didn't implement something similar.. doh. Makes me wonder what the money was spent on..
68040 + Ranger-like and some neat soundchip would been really nice.

vertical integration - think of it as cutting out the middle man.

Make and use your own products?

As a direct effect Commodore is able to sell the 64 for less than the Apple II. As a side effect, Commodore was also able to offer a better product - remember the crappy Apple II buzzer?

Actually, I don't think the Apple II used a Radio Shack piezo buzzer, but it sounded like it did.

They did use a Ensonic chip in the IIgs which, coincidentally, is a company with ties to MOS and the SID.

Regarding the Apple IIGS, it seems to gotten most things that the C64 lacked for an outrageous price

"The inclusion of a professional-grade sound chip in the Apple IIgs was hailed by both developers and users, and hopes were high that it would be added to the Macintosh; however, it drew a lawsuit from Apple Records. As part of an earlier trademark dispute with the record company, Apple Computer had agreed not to release music-related products. Apple Records considered the inclusion of the Ensoniq chip in the IIgs as a violation of that agreement. Though the IIgs was allowed to keep the Ensoniq, Apple has not included dedicated hardware sound synthesizers in any of its Macintosh models since (though of course, third-party products exist)"

Doh!!
A record company forbidding a computer + synth chip because it's music. The only connection is music. But there's a difference between records, and chips. Guess that may be why Apple sound capability at sucked.

Something that makes me wonder is if the 65C816 2,8 MHz clock could been replaced with a 16 MHz clock. Or if other chips limited a such trick.

Something slight OT, I read is that the Motorola management officially ordered Chuck Peddle to stop his 25 US$ processor project. Guess what he did..


Guess it all boils down to: Management screws up great engineering.
And that still apply.

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I think any Ranger incompabilities could been fixed with a RTG layer. Or a new AmigaOS release. However bit-bang software would suffer.