boot test

[stopthegop]

Ok, I'm a little bored tonight..   :idea:

Did a quick reboot test to confirm what I already knew, but now I have some "official" numbers to throw around.   First my hardware:  

Amiga:
A4000D in Elbox tower, CyberstormPPC 233/68060 @ 65MHZ, (2) 147GB SCSI 10K drives, 10 SFS partitions, Voodoo5, 2M Chip ram, ~200M Fast RAM, DVD r/w, CD0, sdlt320 scsi tape drive, x-surf, z3 fastlane, and delfina.  Software loaded at boot time: OS3.9/bb2, Powericons, WarpOS5.1a, Rexxmast, asyncwb, WarpWB, NewMode, AISS, deficons, rawbinfo + ~40 assigns made in s:user-startup.

 
PC:
6 month old Dell Latitude laptop running OEM Windows XP sp1.  Intel Mobile Pentium 3.0GHZ.  1 partition (C:), 140GB stock IDE hard drive.  1GB RAM.  Fresh defrag of drive as of yesterday.  Software installed is WinDVD, Citrix client, MS Office 2K, and Windows itself.  
 

Warm Reboot:
Dell - 95 seconds
Amiga - 13 seconds

Cold Boot:
Dell - 58 seconds
Amiga - 18 seconds


Draw your own conclusions on this one...  

    :roll:

[stopthegop]

If I take the sdlt drive out of the equation on the Amiga, you can subtract 3 seconds from each of the Amiga's boot times.  

So x86 fans,why does a brand new PC reboot thirteen times slower than a 15 year old Amiga even though it has a processor thats (supposedly) forty-seven times faster??    

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Then again you only need to wait Windows boot up once, whereas Amiga keeps crashing frequently

Maybe your Amiga keeps crashing, but mine works fine.  And even if I do on occasion need to reboot the Amiga its not big deal because it only takes 10 seconds.  I think you must really have your beer goggles on tonight if you're suggesting that Windows does not need to be rebooted constantly.    Well, let me qualify that.  Windows needs to be rebooted frequently, and in a server environment, constantly.  

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Are you really comparing the functionality of the 15 year old Amiga OS to a modern OS like Windows XP?  

Yes.  Please tell me what great advances micro$oft has bequeathed the world of computing these last 15 years? Besides 'innovative' new ways of squashing or stiff-arming competitors, I mean...  Its a gimme that, ok, you can play DVDs and watch digital video faster and in higher resolution than on any Amiga.  But thats a credit mostly to hardware manufacturers, not micro$oft.  Thats really about the only thing I can think of that my PC actually does better than the Amiga..  Maybe web surfing, too, come to think of it.  But again, thats only because micro$haft has been playing with a corked bat for so many years so that most websites are only functional with their software; ignoring set standards, and endlessly declaring new ones, often without providing documentation.      

 

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I believe that was sarcasm

I know.  I'm being sarcastic a lot of the time, too, and it never comes across that way.  Sarcasm is hard to convey in text.    

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Windows is definitely alot more stable than AmigaOS.

Windows is to stable as a piss biscuit is to fragrant.  Clearly we have different definitions of 'stable'.. If you only have one or two PCs to babysit then I think Windows can lull you into forgetting (or forgiving) what a royal pain in the ass it is.    Multiply your babysitting responsibilities by about 1500 or so and it becomes a never ennding game of tactical reboots ("zone here, mirror there, reboot here, etc..", service packs ad nauseum, updates, LCRs, CSRs, patches, bug fixes, virus killers, etc, etc.. ).    Don't get me wrong.  In a perverse way, I actually really like Windows.  For one thing, I've always been kind of amazed that Windows works at all, despite being sloppily written.  And two, because of Windows, I have a decent job.  If commodore had been able to continue developing the Amiga and if it was Amiga, not Wintel, that was the dominant platform in large data centers today, no question about it; the "IT" business as we know it today would probably not even exist.  

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The 95 seconds for the dell to warm boot is including the time it took to shutdown. That part alone took almost 35 seconds.  

[stopthegop]

Windows XP: over 1GB

Thank you for proving my point.  Most if not all of that one gigabyte is useless lard.  Thats the whole point.  We went to the moon on 64K, now we need a gig just to type a letter?  

the machine had POSTed and loaded 98 in just over 10 seconds.

And I've got beachfront property in Arizona for sale.  

Additionally, in your case, you're running a Dell

What does that have to do with the price of tea in China??  A peesea is a peesea.

More than likely

Never assume.

you're using the default install of XP that came with it

Actually I'm not.  I always trim as much fat as possible on my windoze installations.  Which is not easy because windoze itself is fat, which is the original point of the thread.  

Dell, HP, etc. etc. bloat there machines to the hilt with crap

Right.  Its called Microsoft Windows XP.  

no matter what you do, you will never clean them up properly

They "clean up" just fine with fdisk.  

The only option is to format and do a clean install of Windows from a retail CD.

Thats the only option??  

People who know me will testify that I'm not the biggest fan of Windows

You just play one on tv?  

I really grow tired of people bashing it with little or no insight into what they are actually saying

Moi?  I know full well what I am saying.  I first started using computers in 1980 on an Apple I, started programming them with an Atari 400 three years later. and have been working with computers professionally for the last twenty plus years.  By no means do I claim to know everything. but I think I have a little bit more than "No Insight into what I'm talking about".  

if you really hate Windows that much

I do.

put your money where your mouth is

I have.  Many times over.  

do what I did, buy a mac

I kept my Amigas and upgraded them to the hilt instead.  If I wanted a mother-in-law in a box, then I would buy a Mac.  

actually, buy several,

See above.  

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@koaftder

Nice point by point response there!  When did I claim to have experience "developing software?"  So programmers are the only ones who can be knowledgeable about computers?  Thats mighty pretentious  

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You did infer to have some knowledge in software when you claimed that you could crash xp kernel by writing zeros from 00000000-0000FFFF in a userland process. You still have a check right here for $100 dollars if you'd like to demonstrate it.

You want me to demonstrate a corrupted registry?  I think I remember mentioning that.  Anyway, that box has already been fdisk'd windoze reinstalled on it.  Next time one of my windows machines {bleep}s its registry though I'll be happy to show you how such a program could take down a windoze box, no problem (you won't have to wait too long, promise).  

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Stop talking through your ass and put together something decent if you want to hear more from me

You were not specific about what part of my response you had a problem with.  In fact the only thing you said that was specific was the word "ass".  But you should know the is a discussion about operating systems, not an autobiography.