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Re: Amiga + Roland SC88 Pro
« on: May 12, 2013, 03:23:10 AM »
I don't think you can use the serial connection on the Amiga.  I believe you may have need special drivers on the Mac / PC side for that - as their serial ports (at least the PC's) couldn't do the odd speed MIDI uses.  The Amiga's serial port is more flexible, and could do MIDI's baud rate.  But you will need a MIDI interface.

I use an SC55 with Bars & Pipes (there is even an SC55 tool to automate selection of patches from within Bars & Pipes).  But I use it for composing music, rather than just playing MIDI files.  Since the SC88 is a General MIDI device, any file that plays MIDI files (i.e. .MID files) should play fine - under the General MIDI format voices will be automatically assigned to proper sounds on the playback device.
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Re: Amiga + Roland SC88 Pro
« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2013, 02:14:11 PM »
Quote from: bbond007;734608
Actually, this may help. Reading the manual I can see that the switch has 4 states.

PC-1(MAC), PC-2(MAC), PC-1(PC), PC-2(PC)

The PC-1 settings are 31.25K (bit/sec) and the PC-2 settings are 38.4K (bit/sec). Still, the difference between PC and MAC are unclear from the manual.

Hmmm.....MIDI Baud rate is definitely 31.25K.....but I remember reading that a PC's serial port was not a "flexible" one (unlike the Amiga's).  It could only do set baud rates, of which the MIDI baud rate was not one.  Therefore, PC serial port MIDI interfaces were much more complicated things that required more circuitry to translate the baud rate on the fly.  So, I don't understand your switches...

Maybe this has changed with later PC's.  Perhaps early PC serial ports could only do 38.4K and hence the need for the switch.

So I would definitely try it at 31.25K with the Amiga.  I'm not sure it will work - while Amiga interfaces had less circuitry than PC interfaces (as the Amiga could natively do 31.25K) it still had SOME circuitry which must have done something important (between the Amiga's serial port and the MIDI instrument).  Some of that might have been optical isolators.

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As the SC88 has two MIDI in ports, i'd try using it as two different MIDI instruments connected to the Amiga. But that all depends on how many OUT ports your MIDI interface has. There's a few Amiga interfaces that have 2 or 3 MIDI out ports out there. Use a sequencing software such as Music-X or Dr. T's and assign two seperate channels to your two MIDI ports of the SC.

As for hooking two separate MIDI cables between the Amiga and the instrument, as some have suggested - I don't think that will work either.  What would the point be?  The interface would still transmit the same signal containing all 16 MIDI channels on both cables. Your instrument is merely set to "filter" each incoming channel to a separate patch/control within itself. My interface has three outputs, but they all just output the same MIDI signal.  Even on an interface with only one output such as yours, you can still have different parts of a song assigned to different MIDI channels, and have, for instance, a flute playing all the channel 1 notes, and a drum playing all the channel 10 notes, etc, etc. etc.

My SC55 has two MIDI inputs on it, but one's meant for getting info from a sequencer, while the other is for a controller keyboard - so you can play live to sequenced parts (if your not already feeding the live keyboard signal through the sequencer TO the SC88).

There are MIDI interfaces (Blue Ribbon's triple play) that will output a totally discreet 16 MIDI channels on each output, but theses are very rare and only supported by a handful of software titles.

I notice that the SC88 has an option to map its voices to the SC55 layout.  This might help if you ever use Bars & Pipes and the SC55 tool it has.

I really like my SC55 and would buy another one if it ever broke or got stolen.  The SC88 sounds even better.  I find it funny when/if people think of these as obsolete or old - they sound fantastic and if one can't make good music with them I think it's more a question of his/her creativity rather than the limits of the instrument.
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Re: Amiga + Roland SC88 Pro
« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2013, 05:05:00 PM »
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Wow, what a coincidence. I just ordered a used SC88 as well. I also have an old Yamaha MU90 that is similar, and I plan to use both with my X1000 using BarnsPipes, and I guess I could also do same with my A1200 since I just dug out my old Midi Master interface, which attaches to the classic Amiga serial port.

Both the Yammy and Roland modules have dual MIDI inputs for 32 voices, and I have a 4x4 USB MIDI interface on the way too. I saw the PC/Mac serial connections and switches on the Yammy and assumed they would be no use to me on any Amiga gear ... but I will watch this trhead and maybe learn otherwise.

I am connecting to the OS4.1 machine with MIDI cables.


Mike, what is the state of B&P on OS4?  Is it as useable as the classic version?
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Re: Amiga + Roland SC88 Pro
« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2013, 02:43:47 AM »
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I've never liked it myself, though (the discrete modules aren't as wretched as the Sound Canvas-derived soundfont that ships with modern Windows, but Lord, they aren't good,)

Just curious - what's not good about them?  I find the piano patches to be quite good, for instance. The percussion sounds and string are pretty useable, too.  Of course, it's only fair to compare the SC line to other GM sound modules, where there is always going to be that certain GM range of sounds that has become somewhat cliche...but it's no fair comparing the SoundCanvas line to a totally customizable synth that doesn't have to adhere to GM compatibility.

But of course, I'm of the philosophy that there are no bad sounds, only sounds that are not used imaginatively enough --- i.e. even if you use an old 1980s Casio in an imaginative way, it can be made to sound awesome!
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