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Re: Would you pay $100 for 8MB RAM?
« Reply #14 from previous page: February 27, 2013, 05:15:58 AM »
The total 8MB has now been installed and has passed the first RAM test!

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WOW! That was a bit of an ordeal and a challenge! The trickiest part was tracking down bad connections. With the chips all soldered to the adapters, it made for a VERY tight fit for some, and a connection might come loose or a solder joint might break (not visible) if they squeezed against each other during insertion. Amongst the cheaper socket risers I had to contend with bent legs when a misalignment occurred during insertion.

Tracking these mis-connections down over 16 chips (times 20 solder points each) was a bit of a (masochistic) game. I've lost count of how many yellow RAM error screens or red Zorro card diagnostic error screens I've seen over the past three days!

Oh, in the first photo you may notice a layer of electrical tape in between each chip and its neighbour JUST IN CASE one of the connections touched another (the chip sockets on the Supra 500XP board abut each other with no room to spare).

Fortunately, all seems to be working now (knock on wood!).  The chips are snugly inserted into the Supra 500XP and have passed two cycles of RAM testing (I'm going to run them all afternoon on test mode tomorrow).

Sooo....8MB of 1Mx4 SOJs adapted to DIPs, totally from spare parts lying in my parts stash.  I came close to saying this project cost me nothing, but yesterday my de-soldering iron burnt out and I had to buy a new one for $30 - I don't know if I would count that toward the cost.  Even so, I'm still a little ahead.  A lot of labour though!  Was a fun exercise....now I can REST and the family will be shocked to see me again - I've been in my workshop so long!

PS: the pink dots (nail polish) on the chips just indicates to me which way they should be inserted - I was doing things by rote near the end - inserting and removing chips to diagnose problems - and so I was afraid I'd miss the tiny black orientation dimple on the chip if I didn't mark it more obviously.
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Re: Would you pay $100 for 8MB RAM?
« Reply #15 on: February 27, 2013, 12:51:12 PM »
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Excellent! Glad you got it working. Supreme hackery there! :lol: I love seeing success stories like these..

Thanks!  Also thanks again for the tip about using the DIP sockets as adapter bases.  If you hadn't mentioned that I would still be waiting for the parts from Digikey to start this project.

The only question I would have for anyone who can answer, is why does my Amiga start up sometimes with the RAM fragmentation seen in the mem test screenshot above. Notice that there are three small RAM blocks at the end of the RAM list?

Then at other times (like this morning when I turned it on to start testing) I get less fragmentation (i.e. one large almost 8MB block, the 2M chip RAM block, and just one other small ram fragment as well).

I do recall I made one change since yesterday and today - I put an icon that was "left out" on the desktop "away".  I wonder if this can fragment RAM during boot.
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Re: Would you pay $100 for 8MB RAM?
« Reply #16 on: February 27, 2013, 10:34:40 PM »
Just an observation and note of caution to anyone installing RAM on an Amiga (or doing a project like this):

Although I thought I was done this project, and the RAM had passed multiple test cycles in Advanced Amiga Analyzer, I got a couple of strange Gurus.  I then noticed that they occurred when I was opening a program or writing to the RAM disk.

So....I decided to fill up the RAM disk to the maximum 8MB installed on the system (I basically started copying the contents of my hard drive to the RAM disk).

Sure enough - BAM - at a certain point I would always get a GURU.

I did some tests and chip swapping and found two chips with bad solder joints - THESE CHIPS HAD PASSED THE RAM TEST.

Once the solder joints were repaired, the chips worked well with a similar test of filling up the RAM disk - no GURUs (they also pass the Analyzer tests).

So, it's wierd.  I wonder why a RAM diagnostic test wouldn't catch this particular problem, but only writing actual files to the RAM will.

Anyway, it's something important to note for anyone trying this in future.
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Re: Would you pay $100 for 8MB RAM?
« Reply #17 on: February 28, 2013, 01:10:01 AM »
It's Advanced Amiga Analyzer which is a fairly well respected diagnostic software package (or so I thought).  It has detected bad RAM in other cases.
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