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Re: It's not fun any more
« on: January 05, 2011, 04:10:43 PM »
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I've been a user since 1986. I just tossed most of my Amiga shit in the dumpster. Fuck it. I've spent more time performing repairs than anything else. Time to move on. Winuae.

I can totally relate.  In 2008 I finally jumped (reluctantly at first) to UAE after my A2000 finally experienced one too many technical problems and an HD controller card and attached drives were fried.  I had been through this many times before....but each time it became more and more of a drain to trace down hard to find and expensive parts on Ebay or from far-away dealers.  Harder to take when a similar (but more advanced) PC part could be had from the corner computer store instantly, or pulled from someone's garbage for free.

Believe me...I tried for more than a decade to keep the machine going and treated it like a baby....but it was the mix of being an isolated Amiga user in a small town with no local support and no easy source of spare parts (ever tried calling around looking for old SCSI drives or CD burners to your local computer store and heard a moment of silence at the other end as they tried to remember what SCSI meant?)

I love the Amiga, but the hardware wasn't reliable anymore...

I do think Amigas are pretty well-made machines, but my A2000 was expanded to the point that when I opened it up almost every square inch was crammed with a card or a cable going this way and that.  There were so many expansions hanging off of it that it seemed like a tightrope act to keep it going.

Maybe a more simple machine, like an unexpanded A500 (or with minimual expansions and hacks) would be easier to maintain.

Also, I dreaded opening the machine.  Even though I was super careful and kept the inside and outside spotless, it would seem that no matter how careful I was, every time I closed it up again there was always a problem.  The machine would greet me with a non-booting black screen until I could trace down the problem (usually something had become unseated).

By that point I had been waiting two years for the Natami to be released, hoping to keep my A2000 working until I could buy one.  No luck of course.  So I had no real choice but to migrate to UAE.  Not a bad choice considering it's been two more years and the Natami is still to be released.

So, I did switch to UAE and it's been really great. Not 100% perfect but very very VERY close....and it offers speed and expandability that I could never have imagined.  I am actually running MORE Amiga applications than I used to with my real Amiga because it is so easy to have many different configurations....i.e. a "classic" WB1.3 setup and an OS3.9 setup with RTG on the same machine.  Plus if the PC hardware UAE is running on ever fails I can just go buy a cheap used PC (or get one for free) and move my "virtual" Amiga's hardfile to it pretty instantly.  Voila - instantly up and running again - no more reliance on proprietary hardware.

Like you, I did get very frustrated with hardware failures on my real Amiga, so I can understand.  Fortunately I did not "bin" my hardware though.  I had meant to sell it to cover the cost of the PC I had to buy for WinUAE, but I haven't and now that it's been several years the memory of the frustration has worn off and maybe I'll set up a real hardware Amiga again if I get the space (just a minimal A500 system for tracker music and DPAINT and games).  Maybe...
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Re: It's not fun any more
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2011, 06:03:26 PM »
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That's one of the weird things I don't quite get is why the Amiga is referred to in terms such as retro or nostalgia on the forums... :confused:

Until June of this year I'd never owned any other type of computer other than my Amigas and use them every day, so to me I can hardly call it retro or using it for nostalgia as it always has been my main computer... :)


It's not a retro-hobby for me either.  My VIC-20 is my "nostalgia" computer.  The Amiga is still a productive computer for graphics and music.  Hence the need to have a reliable system - so that's why I am using UAE...I can get the music and graphics stuff done fast and reliably with Amiga software.
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Re: It's not fun any more
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2011, 12:58:31 PM »
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Ummm if you have unlimited money like you claim why in the world would you haggle over the internet services?  Or why would you wait to go online until some super cheap deal came along?

I'm starting to detect some bs...


....ummmm.....Scottish?
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Re: It's not fun any more
« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2011, 02:38:34 PM »
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I get what he means, when you start buying £1000 PPC cards for £400 A4000/030s etc etc you still will be limited with something as simple as browsing certain modern websites with problems. So more is less as he kind of says.

I get what he says too...KISS principle.  Keep it simple.  Sometimes people can miss the elegance of a basic Amiga setup.  You define your parameters more simply and take huge advantage of what can be done in those parameters.

Like look at the C64 scene...they have (mostly) a single, unchanged hardware setup that has remained the same across decades and millions of computers, and they've stretched it to the limit to do amazing things.

The more bits and bobs you add to your Amiga, the less compatible you make it with other Amigas and the more likely the house of cards is to fail.

I'm not against an expanded Amiga....I had an A2000 that was expanded almost to the maximum....but it became a real headache to keep running after a while, and I knew that when some of the rarer bits of hardware failed, I would have no way of replacing them.  Whereas with a stock Amiga (maybe with a common 1/2MB RAM expansion and a simple hard drive) it's easy to find replacement parts.

A stock Amiga can really do a LOT of stuff if you stop trying to think about it as having to do everything a modern PC or MAC does and instead think of it as a creative tool for specific, unique uses....like a game programming platform (AMOS), or a pixel-art studio (DPAINT), or a music composition machine (Trackers).

Sometimes more is less.  For instance....I record music.  Back in the 1980s/90s I had only a simple setup that could do MIDI and I had to bounce tracks between two cassette tape decks to do overdubs of real instruments.  Sometimes I rented a cassette four-track but that was IT.  Still, I recorded tons of stuff and used that technology to its maximum.  

Now I have a computer on my desktop that can record 128 tracks of audio, has about 100 effects to choose from, and can do more than most professional recording studios could do in the 1980 or early 1990s.  But does that immense choice help me be more productive?  Unfortunately no.  Sometimes I find myself just overwhelmed with the amount of choice.  I am constantly tweaking effects, timing, EQ, latency settings, etc. instead of doing actual music composition.  I think a lot of musicians have experienced this.

Like I said in another thread, sometimes I feel like setting up a plain Amiga 500 again with a simple MIDI sequencer and a couple synths and drum machine and just go at it, writing music rather than tweaking.

I still love DAWs and expanded Amigas....I just am finding simple systems more and more beautiful now rather than disdaining them like I used to.
« Last Edit: January 13, 2011, 07:59:45 PM by ral-clan »
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