Dave Haynie on MOS (cross posted from ANN) -old post referenced

[Jose]

I didn't knew about this info.
HERE

Interesting no?
Did people in general knew about that?
Keep the thread clean please (NO  I'm serious).

[Jose]

Hey 8-)

"He has no proof that the MOS sources are stolen from AmigaOS and never will have."

But he did not say that.

"1) The limited usefulness of the AOS sources;"

Not quite. As an example, one of the Frieden brothers stated recently that AOS4 DOS library has ccmpatibility with even some very old code due to some issues that are not well documented in other "sources" (RKM etc.).

"2) The fact that MOS was begun with AROS sources, which are certainly not stolen;"

Well, what about the fact that some comments on the original source  were found on that C rebuild?
It's impossible that they didn't use it. Even if they  took off the parts that were used later, they allways used it cause they saw/studied the sources;)

"3) MOS (or rather QBox) is very different structurally than AOS. It has AOS emulation using native code, called ABox. No more, no less."

Wich is not very much "emulation" but API compatibility in the Amiga compatibility layer.


AInc. is probably so broke they can't even go to court about that.

[Jose]

@tony
Legally they can probably get away with almost anything regarding that anyway.
The main point is that these people didn't want to cooperate with AInc in the past and now are using  the sources that AInc payed millions for. Of course one can't judge without knowing the details, but they never wanted to show them anyway. Probably AInc wanted to control the OS and have big percentage of gains. Fair.
Some people will argue that they bought the sources,  but this shouldnt be the way for AmigaOS, cause any company that bought it could do what wanted and screw it over. Unfortunately AmigaOS is not public property.  I do agree that it's a shame if it got scewed like that and in the first days of Amino as AInc. they were doing just that. Ditch off AmigaOS. If  their current intentions towards it are intended to benefit  the communiny or just for their business sake, you can't know. But with Hyperion's work the community will benefit. It's not like "just the name", like when AmigaOS was gonna use QNX.

[Jose]

@Kronos
"@Jose
The C-exec was supossed to be used in a future revision of AmigaOS und AT/Escom,
so using "the sources" for that was 100% o.k (if they did)."

So why was Dave raising some doubtefullness about their actions?

Other points taken. True.

[Jose]

@Joanna
" At that time they could not show a thing, nor they never got anything proven (or got into court) so I must assume there really was no Case afterall."

Or no money?...

"And.. this mail is from closed mailing list.. Apparently other
mails on that list are not going to be published so it's a bit
selective isn't it? "

Selective, yeah, maybe yes maybe not. Like you said we don't know what was on the mailing list do we? 8-) But it's allways interesting to know insider information, whatever it is.

[Jose]

@Billsey
Sure, I'd like to see it.

[Jose]

"...when at that time, Dave might not have had any idea what is, or is not in MorphOS since MorphOS was not available. "

It's not might, he stated that himself in the message, and that part is available on ann's post. I can't believe people can be such morons that post without reading what they're posting to.

Don't talk to me about FUD. You've done your dirty work on it claiming to be neutral at the same time!! . People are still waiting to know "THE TRUTH", and why  (if that's not the reason then what is it?) a company has to be bashed because of having financial problems. Haryy Garre CEO or who da hell was he, who cares?  Facts on why is AInc so evil, where are they? I'll be the first to stone them  8-).

[Jose]

@Paul_Gadd
Let's pretend everything is all great and instantly forget about anything bad so that we can live all happey and all that....

 What I'm trynna say is,  I'm just curious to know stuff like this, and what really happened, and I'm not gonna stop posting it just because some paranoid peple will start screaming everytime the sole subject is mentioned. It was just a cross post actually.

[Jose]

"This Morphos vs AmigaOS, Pegasos v AmigaOne, Amiga Inc vs Genesis is just bullshit with no facts whatsoever to backup each others claims and shows the world what a bunch of amateur twats are in control (note: all amiga/related companies)."

Agree on this one but, on the bigger world, much worse things happen, probably everyday...