Discussing strategy of parties involved in the amiga-market (Hardware/OS)

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I think I read a discussion about that already (here or on amigaworld I cannot remember). I think there are legal problems and (how always) who will pay it? Hyperion wants every port be financed by the hardware producer, so no pay no port (in opposite to f.e. MorphOS who do a update and then request money after being done).

Hyperion can release AmigaOS4 for whatever platform they want after winning the trial. E.g.: nobody paid for the Pegasos2 and Classic ports.

They probably killed Moana because they couldn't have huge profits on each unit like they do selling boards with embedded cpus (slower than the ones used 10 years ago) for premium prices. They didn't note that selling 3000 units for 100€ produces both more users and profits than selling 100 units for 3000€ (specially if you discount the real costs of producing the hardware). The difference is that if 1% of that buyers are developers you end up with 30 developers instead of only one, thus increasing the software base and the value of the platform.

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Last generation of G5 include PCIe (not that it matters much) and some models 4 cpu cores.

As long as "new hardware" doesn't provide the same performance as nearly 10 year old hardware I don't see the point in "new hardware". If I was concerned about that I would buy a brand new Efika fron Directron but I prefer more performance.

Surely, as indicated, MorphOS support for all Macs have gradually brought interest and grownth, but not beyond some 1500-2000 licences. So its a small bunch of people after all.

That would still be 10 times more than the number of x1000 sold and zero investment in hardware development costs. In case you haven't noticed yet "Amiga" word could increase the interest so you could expect more sales.

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True - but that's where it ends. Once you've got there there's nowhere to go.

Funny to hear that taking into account that PA*Semi cpus are dead end.

The point of releasing AmigaOS for G5 would be gaining time to release it for x86-64.

Effectively we're playing catch-up in real performance, yes... but you've got to catch up before you can overtake something. At the current rate of progress, Cyrus will be effectively up to or surpassing the G5 (which I believe isn't very fast per MHz, and rather inefficient), which means that whatever comes next should be better than the opt-of-the-range PowerPC Mac.

I heard that before with x1000 PA Semi cpu and all in all it's slower than a G5 at the same frequency.

As a small company, A-Eon have a large disadvantage for up-to-G5 levels (as Apple had a million times the R&D budget of A-Eon), but after that Apple stopped so it's all forward.

In case you didn't notice we are talking about machines released 8-10 years ago, not even about competing with nowadays hardware

If you want to look forward to the future the final solution is switching cpu architecture instead of relying on low end embedded cpus. Freescale has always been poor acomplishing their roadmaps.

The x1000 isn't the only Amiga being sold, though - nobody expects it to outsell the low-end machines.

Care to explain how selling OS4 for powerbook g4 would decrease the number of x1000 sold?

Sams have performance similar (or worse) than antique Pegasos boards sold almost 10 years ago in our little market (and higher price, something pretty sad).