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I'm not a fan of the 'tiered' pricing.  It's all the same OS.

But since each OS license is linked to the hardware it's a very reasonable solution IMHO. The previous situation with Efika license costing more than peg2/Mac Mini license caused that some people didn't register. Now it's perhaps a little late but better than nothing I guess.
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Re: MorphOS 3.0 released - PowerBook G4 support and new pricing
« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2012, 06:50:39 PM »
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If they were running something pathetic as Windows ME and now have the MorphOS choice too then sure, but is MorphOS adding any new ability to a G4 1.67ghz PB which had OSX installed on it? No. That is why nobody cares, same reason as installing Linux on that machine is boring.

MorphOS is more responsive, plays HD videos better and faster and includes a nice HTML5 browser. Moreover, it allows you to run Amiga software (including PPC demos) at decent speeds, unlike OSX+uae. I can launch modern amiga demos directly (unlike OSX). MorphOS is supported and updated.

PS: I haven't benchmarked it but Poseidon seems faster than OSX transfering files through USB2. Perhaps RTCW is faster on MorphOS too.
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Re: MorphOS 3.0 released - PowerBook G4 support and new pricing
« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2012, 10:27:19 AM »
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You have ofcourse data to back up these claims? I really don't notice much speed difference between MorphOS and Linux on my minimacs, and Linux for sure has way more features that are usefull for me.


I care about amiga stuff, I don't give a f**k about linux. My HD videos play faster on MorphOS than on OSX and files are copied faster. I bet that videos are played faster than on linux too. But you wouldn't care anyway since you like linux and you have more fun typing cryptic commands on a shell so I doubt you know what a responsive system is. Even xfce feels slow compared to any Amiga desktop.
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Re: MorphOS 3.0 released - PowerBook G4 support and new pricing
« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2012, 03:27:02 PM »
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In terms of general usefulness, I think some Linux distros are way ahead of MorphOS even without a desktop environment.


In terms of general usefulness I think Windows is *much* more useful than all your linux distros together, but I care more about general amiga-ness, that's why I care about Amiga apps, Amiga demos,...

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I get along quite fine with it on modest hardware with just ratpoison/openbox, and if there's something I want to do, I can rest assured that there's an application for it in the package repository.


Feel free to launch MAWI demos like Fluffy Digital Snowflakes on your Linux box.

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But I agree that MorphOS is much more responsive and lightweight, and seems more swift however you look at it. Typing cryptic commands on a shell isn't all that bad if it's the fastest way to get a job done. :)


Having crap GUIs is the usual linux excuse to use cli.

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Either way it is, it seems reasonable to ask you to back up hard claims with hard numbers, though!


IIRC there are various benchmarks showing MPlayer and other players running on OS4/MorphOS/Linux/OSX. I don't have much time to perform tests but could do it in some weeks I guess
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Re: MorphOS 3.0 released - PowerBook G4 support and new pricing
« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2012, 01:11:00 PM »
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Well, the Amiga demos that you can run under MorphOS are a serious minority, so judging by your own requirements you'd probably be better of with classic hardware and OS 3.x, I think. There's no point arguing over what OS is better if there's no common point of reference, anyway.


I care about Amiga software. The only unix software I'm interested is the correctly ported one. CLI ported apps are crap. alien-GUI ported apps are crap too

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At this point I assume that you are just trolling. What I'm trying to say is that a CLI is very useful for some tasks, regardless of the GUI. If you disagree with that, I guess you have been too busy watching Fluffy Digital Snowflakes to do anything seriously productive with your computer.


I use cli to launch scripts that automate tasks and to compile, but for normal use it's usually slower than GUI (unless your GUI is absolutely crap).
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Re: MorphOS 3.0 released - PowerBook G4 support and new pricing
« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2012, 01:31:44 PM »
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Sure, just rant about something else instead of actually responding to my argument.

I'm just saying I'm interested in Amiga apps. For me it doesn't matter if your Linux box runs 1020102 GTK crashy apps. I prefer to run Amiga software and that's why I'm interested on Amiga-like OSes. Binary,source&philosophy incompatible with AmigaOS means it's not interesting to me. I prefer to use any Amiga paint package instead of the horrible gimp.

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I find CLIs useful a lot, not only in Linux, but also MorphOS, Amiga and Windows. I don't know what constitutes "normal" use, but unless it's limited to copying files from the root of one folder to another, named/sized/dated so that they show up in order, using simple CLI oneliners can save you a lot of hair if you know the tools of your system well.

I mean that I prefer to write mails using SimpleMail or Yam rather than sendmail or using pop/smtp commands through telnet. I prefer to use subversion GUIs instead of cli versions. I prefer to use apps with GUIs integrated, with ARexx ports etc instead of cli apps with a badly written GTK gui that are not up to date with cli version and since the linux GUIs are usually badly written you have to edit configuration files scattered through the filesystem tree because unix developers simply are not capable of thinking in alternative ways. All distros are mostly the same with the exception of a few package installers. If you have chosen some BeOS derivative like Haiku at least it has some Amiga spirit, but unix has been the same since the 70s and linux guys simply cloned it and published it with another license but it's not amiga-like, it's anti-intuitive even if you dress it with some fancy installers and skins because when you want to do something slightly different everything crashes and burns. Having good CLI is good? sure! should CLI be an excuse to avoid building apps with decent GUIs? no!. BTW, all these Linux GUI toolkits even the ones presented as "light" are usually quite resource hungry and slow. I prefer using visual diff tools instead of cli ones. I prefer managing all my project files using a gui instead of handling them through cli. I prefer to refactorize classes using GUIs instead of using find and sed to replace names. I prefer to debug graphically instead of using gdb.

As I have said Linux GUIs are usually crap because they claim you can do much better with command line, but it's a bad excuse since they are not capable of producing decent GUIs with access to all program features.

Anyway, I'm interested on Amiga software so I don't care much about what linux distro you run on your laptop because it doesn't run amiga software and has nothing to do with amiga, crap directory structure, crap guis that break and force the user to edit config files by hand instead of default basic gui options... and bad software too, if you talk about productivity Windows runs rings aroung linux. If you are interested on amiga at all you'll want to use Amiga software I guess. And for me that means using AROS/MorphOS/AmigaOS... linux is not amiga. Haiku looks nice and doesn't stink like unix.
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