New Mesa/Nouveau brings support for Fermi cards to AROS!

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No disrespect to the great work done on MOS 3d drivers and its 3d subsystem, but theyre a far cry from AROSes nouveau/gallium3d in some ways. Check out the graphics using pixel shaders in Assault Cube for example. Theyre simply not possible on Morphos (or OS4.x).  

Maybe people should learn what theyre commenting on before they comment?

Great work Deadwood.

Both MorphOS 2D&3D drivers are far more stable than AROS ones. And also include overlay.

IMHO it's better to support few hardware pieces very well than supporting a wide range of hardware with less features than the hardware we used to have (PicassoIV/Cybervision3D already had Overlay 15 years ago)

I prefer having excellent support for a few ATI cards than supporting incompletely many brands&models.

BTW, good job, I'm happy for AROS users.

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I have an 7800gs in my g4 powermac that I'd really like to try Morphos on one day.

There are chances that you'll be able to use a Radeon9700 or 9800 by Christmas but I doubt nVidia hardware is supported in the future due to his closed nature.

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I'd like to know exactly how you can say MOS drivers are "fare more stable" than AROS ones just by adding that the latter don't support overlay (yet).

I have said that AROS drivers are more prone to crash that MorphOS ones. And in addition to that AROS drivers don't even support overlay. Read again what I wrote because I have never claimed that something is less stable due to lack of overlay.

MOS drivers may be more optimized due to the fact their development started far before the ones currently used by AROS, and that they are focalized on a lesser number of GPUS but... well, the world has a little changed in the meanwhile.

MorphOS drivers are not only more optimized but also more stable, that's my point. On the other hand if Gallium ever got very fast and stable it could be ported to MorphOS. But right now it doesn't make much sense (after all you can't plug in PCIe cards to a powerbook)

In the GPU market a graphic adapter gets old after 6 months and obsolete in 3-4 years. R200 cards (Radeon 7500/9200 and derivated) are now more than 10 years old, and dramatically less performant and feature-wise than current ones.

AROS drivers don't even support features from 15 years ago so please stop propaganda about "new features". Overlay IS an important feature.

You can't even compare their respective complexity. Short times between hardware refreshes means also a short time window for driver development, and common PC users are now expected to upgrade their video cards from time to time (generally speaking, every 24-30 months or so). How can you pretend to live with 10-years old sw/hw technologies forever in a similar market?

Amiga is a hobby and I'm not much concerned about "markets" or pc upgrade cycles. If drivers supporting latest features were so important for me I would be using Windows. Don't get me wrong, the more modern supported cards the better, but I prefer to have very good drivers instead of many modern cards half-supported.

MorphOS users interest is with R300 cards right now since that's what is included with Powerbooks and it's easy to plug these cards on Powermacs too. More modern cards may be interesting in the future but not right now.

I feel this a little more interesing than overlay, not counting that overlay is coming in the future, at least according to Nikolaos' efforts.

Better late than never :-)

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But there are Macs with Nvidia cards and you definitely don't need PCI Express to mount GeForce FX card, nor you need PCI Express for GeForce 6 and 7 carda, since there are (have been) AGP models available.

But it's quite easy to find supported models with Radeon cards. And tower models can use AGP/PCI*Radeons so exchanging the gfx card is not such a big problem.

I can bet this will change the day MorphOS will be able to support Radeon HD and GeForce cards too.

If by "this" you mean "this hobby" I'm sure it wouldn't change much even if we had support for latest cards. No Amiga solution will ever be a "serious" alternative to Windows or even Linux.

2D support for RadeonHD is not such a big deal as 2D part seems to be more or less similar to previous versions. Initializing it through ATOM-Bios is relatively easy (although I don't know what is used on Mac). 3D part on R400 and R500 models is AFAIK an evolution of R300 part so if very good R300 support is developed R400 and R500 drivers will have a good basis.

Many MorphOS users have a Mac Mini G4 with Radeon9200 and many more will have Powerbooks with R9700. These are the chipsets that matter right now because these can't be exchanged. Next MorphOS release 3D drivers for Mac Mini are so optimized that will probably match ATI developed ones in performance. I'm typing right now from a Mac Mini so R9200 is the chipset that I care for. R9700 is inside the powerbook next to me waiting for MorphOS and that's the 2nd chipset I care for. Powermacs? I don't think I get one but If I did I could survive with a Radeon9800.

Are you KIDDING or what?

I'm not, as I have explained above high quality R200 and R300 support is more important than supporting R400 or R500 because most of MorphOS users will need R200&R300 and not later models.

I'm not concerned about Warp3D performance at all because Warp3D games used to fly even on old A4000 with CSPPC. Most are designed for Permedia2/Voodoo3. These games fly on my humble Efika so I don't know what's the fuss about that. Quake3 and Wolfenstein already run reasonably fast on my Mac Mini (and don't use Warp3D at all).

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I have issues, have not been able to easily obtain working low profile card for my pegasos, it's a hit and miss archeology game on ebay. Kinda given up on the whole thing.

That sounds like a bad excuse, it's really easy to find radeon 92x0 low profile models, even on ebay.no:
http://search.eim.ebay.no/?kw=radeon+9250&ect=&elc=92&eb=S%C3%B8k

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Noticed how those do not fit into the AGP slot of the Pegasos?

I never had an AGP card that couldn't fit in my Pegasos. I used 2 Radeon9100 full size, 2 low profile Radeon 9250, 1 Radeon7500 low profile, 1 Radeon 7000 low profile, Voodoo3500... never had any problem

http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_nkw=radeon+9200&_sacat=0&_odkw=radeon+9250+low+profile&_osacat=0&_trksid=p3286.c0.m270.l1313


and here there are tons of low profile ones:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_nkw=radeon+9200+agp&_sacat=0&_dmpt=UK_Computing_Computer_Components_Graphics_Video_TV_Cards_TW&_odkw=radeon+9200&_osacat=0&_trksid=p3286.c0.m270.l1313

I think it's really easy to find NEW Radeon low profile cards compatible with Pegasos but I guess it's easier to complain in public forums

PS: If it's so problematic to find one I can sell you a low profile R9250/128MB AGP that fits perfectly on Pegasos1 with odw-like case.

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Can the Pegasos use AGP8X cards like the Radeon 9800 or one of the R400 based cards?

AFAIK it depends on voltages supported by the card. Some 9800 cards work, some doesn't. Check out morphzone to see if somebody had one and can tell you brand&model.

R400... I don't think these are supported in MorphOS yet even in 2D. The most modern core publicly shown is Radeon x600 PCIexpress on iMac G5, and that uses a R300 core.