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Re: FastATA 1200 MK-IV Available For Pre-Ordering
« on: July 06, 2011, 01:34:55 PM »
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On paper it sounds good and although I'd like DMA, at least it wouldn't hang up my Deneb like my 4000T SCSI does.

Your A4000T scsi should never hang your machine with Deneb in PIO mode. You'd better get an scsi-ide adapter. Perhaps your cabling is bad, your sync/async mode is bad, the scsi chain is badly configured or your A4000T psu connector is broken but in a perfectly sane A4000T you won't have that problem
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Re: FastATA 1200 MK-IV Available For Pre-Ordering
« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2011, 03:44:12 PM »
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I know I have to run it in PIO, but I'm not happy about it.

If I had the option, I'd disable the 4000T SCSI and let the Deneb do DMA instead.


There's no option, it won't work.
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Re: FastATA 1200 MK-IV Available For Pre-Ordering
« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2011, 03:48:12 PM »
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In my experience with Classics, Deneb, and DMA vs. PIO, you really don't gain much by using the Deneb in DMA mode.  When you are driving these devices so fast on the Classic systems your CPU is still being used quite a bit and DMA vs. PIO is about a 5% difference in CPU usage.

It's a general lack of CPU horse power and other sub-system slowness (like Zorro III) that are more of an issue.  My recent networking tests using a Deneb in DMA mode (OS 3.9) and PIO mode in AmigaOS 4.1 Classic showed only about a 5% drop in CPU usage in DMA mode.

erm... amiga networking is probably the worst test you could do to compare DMA vs non-DMA drivers because SANA-II is totally cpu driven. If you want to perform a decent test use an external USB2.0 hard disk, at least the cpu won't have to copy everything everytime.

-edit- moreover, comparing the performance of drivers with the goal of getting some information about DMA vs non-DMA performance is nonsense if you are using OSes with different cpu architecture. Since most people use OS3.x and not OS4.x the interesting test would be comparing DMA vs non-DMA in the same conditions.

If you are going to perform benchmarks of DMA vs non-DMA drivers you should:
1.- Try to use the same conditions:*Same OS version, same cpu, same HD.
2.- You should use something meaningful that uses DMA. Networking doesn't. Use an USB2.0 hard disk for example.
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Re: FastATA 1200 MK-IV Available For Pre-Ordering
« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2011, 07:36:52 PM »
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My goal was to measure RTL 8139 performance vs RTL 8029 performance.  It wasn't to test Deneb DMA vs PIO performance, although from the test it is clear that in the case of networking, it really is insignificant.

If the test was performed on a Classic with Mediator you'll probably know that all Mediators lack DMA support and in order to get data from PCI cards that require DMA the cpu always has to access video ram to get the data so in the end everything is moved by the cpu.
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Re: FastATA 1200 MK-IV Available For Pre-Ordering
« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2011, 09:10:09 AM »
thanks for the test!

Could you please test AmigaOS3.9 BB4 with Deneb in PIO mode just for completeness? :-)

PS: I think you should get higher speed with a CSPPC:
http://www.e3b.de/usb/frame_usb_e.html

I use scsibench for testing HDs http://aminet.net/package/util/moni/SCSIBench
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