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Re: OS4 Classic BPPC/060 A1200 Radeon
« on: December 10, 2009, 01:10:24 PM »
@NioByte

OS4 should support your Voodoo3 OOTB. Have you installed the update? If you have problems with it remove the Voodoo3 (or even mediator) so it boots on PAL and later install the update.

Your network card should be a Ethernet RTL8029 10Mbit card. Ethernet 100Mbit cards like RTL8139 won't work.

You don't have to install any Elbox driver. If you want to use Elbox drivers you'll have to disable PCIGraphics.card and voodoo3.chip (avenger?) in the kicklayout and copy your files from a 3.x install. The later has the advantage of allowing the use of Elbox drivers for soundcards/tv cards/ethernet 100/usb2 with poseidon2.2 but I don't think it's comfortable.

@nyteschayde

go to kicklayout file and comment the PCIGraphics.card file and Radeon.chip too. Then you'll be able to use OS3 Mediator drivers (but it won't be available from a fresh boot). If you have your files on an AmigaOS3.x partition copy them from there to the OS4 partition.



P96 prefs are quite crap because it requires stupid steps like forcing the user to add the gfx card despiting the fact it's the only gfx card available. It's a nightmare from usability viewpoint. But using tooltypes were you have to add lines like you were a linux user editting a textfile is even worse. Don't worry since you can still use P96 prefs file instead of tooltypes.
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Re: OS4 Classic BPPC/060 A1200 Radeon
« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2009, 01:16:07 PM »
@spirantho

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I wish Hyperion would either do OS 4.1 for the Classics or even just a patch to add virtual memory - it'd make the Classic much more useful.
so true... CSPPC uwscsi could deal very well with swap partitions. But IMHO they should fix the BlizzardPPC scsi driver issue. It seems they don't know how to make a new blizzardppc scsi driver and they don't know how to use blizzardppc scsi 68k driver (that works flawless in 68k). They should ask Ralph Schmidt for help but their pride and ego makes them prefer to leave blizzardppc users without scsi suppport. That's sad.
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Re: OS4 Classic BPPC/060 A1200 Radeon
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2010, 12:44:13 PM »
@HammerD

Ralph said Hyperion never asked him any doubt. Hyperion never reported Ralph any problem about his scsi drivers. They never asked him about documentation or help. BTW, I think no documentation would be required, perhaps simply asking him something like "we change these registers to that value like we did on some PCI cards but it doesn't work like it should, do you know if we have to modify any other register to init the scsi correctly?" may be enough.

BTW, they could also take a look at linux APUS, AFAIK BlizzardPPC SCSI works in latest Linux Apus versions.

I don't have to act as a "mediator" since I'm not selling OS4 and since they are the interested party in making OS4 succeed they should ask Ralph for help firstly. If they ever had received a "no" from Ralph I would act as a "mediator" and ask politely to Ralph, but since they don't seem to be interested in making their own OS successful and forgot about classic users I won't waste my time trying to get information about something that won't be released. I bought a copy despiting I had it for free due to betatesting though.

Some people in the dev team liked to claim OS3 scsi drivers were "broken" but they never informed about these "terrible" bugs so Ralph will hardly fix them if you never report them. I guess it's due to OS4 broken virtual memory system not being able to use proper amiga DMA (the same reason most zorro dma cards won't work...). IMHO when everything works and you release an incompatible system that breaks everything that worked without problems, claiming that all amiga dma drivers are broken is kinda funny.

@Radeon
they have the earlier prometheus drivers that should work with minor changes (it inited the rom without relying on emulators) but since there are just a few classic betatesters with decent equipment (most of them had blizzardppc with no scsi and sometimes they even lacked gfx card) I doubt they can even test it.


@Fastlane guys

won't happen. They will tell you that your fastlane is useless because using swap would be faster in theory (I haven't performed benchmarks but csppc scsi driver feels slower than MorphOS/OS3 one). But since os4 classic doesn't support swap yet we are stucked with what we have. You'll probably have noticed that the 16MB of your motherboard aren't used with OS4, right? BTW, scsi part of fastlane won't work since OS4 virtual memory breaks every amiga dma driver. The sad part is that this "OS4 virtual memory" idea is completely useless on OS4 classic: you lose compatibility with dma drivers and you don't have swap memory.
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