OS4 compatibility list

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@Lemmink

Who had the mad idea to test the old Picasso II or the other Zorro II GFX cards under OS4

ACube guys still haven't added my latest cards tested... expect a GVP EGS Spectrum 24 listed very soon ;-P

@Markus_Bieler

A4000T scsi is useless since uwscsi is much faster and you can connect everything to you csppc directly.

ConciertoIV used to work in previous betas but I haven't tested the ultra-latest CD so that's the reason it's not yet in the compatibility list. I have to asure that it works with the latest CD.

BTW PalomaIV also works, but the list needs to be updated.

ACube guys are busy so let them work ;-)

@Nearly-Right

you are a troll, but I'll feed you a little...

-Elbox are the ones who should get proper DMA in their PCI busboards. And also the ones who should write stable drivers for their busboards. If their PCI DMA implementation is rubbish it's not Hyperion's fault. Elbox is free to release updated drivers that support OS4. I mean... Mediator1200 sucks. G-Rex has nicer points but Ralph Schmidt won't provide docs so it's not possible to use that.

-Spider is already useless and unsupported by Poseidon, so no reason to rant.

-You can use Highway. IIRC correctly poseidon worked inside OS4 with Subway but maybe someone tests that

-If you really, really care about sound quality, you probably won't be using a SB128. Since you think a SB128 is "great quality", you will be able to buy (yeah, it costs 10€ on eBay and 20€ new, don't be a rat) a Terratec128i when the driver becomes more stable. You can use paula to hear sounds while you wait. It's better than no sound I think.

-8029 are dead cheap. 8139 was as slow as 8029 on Mediator1200. The SDK is free to download, if you are so clever you can write your own driver. I prefer to use RTL8029 as I don't like to use my gfx card memory to store network stuff (bizarre! isn't it?)

-Not having scsi on BlizzardPPC sucks. But not having OS4 sucks even more. You can wait until a scsi driver is developed (maybe in a boing bag). In the meanwhile people who don't think OS4 sucks can enjoy it. You can wait shouting "OS4 sucks", switch to Linux or whatever you want (I won't care)

-Compatibility is VERY good. Most of cards I own work. I have a big tower amiga, that's different than 1200-sandwitch-of-hacky-cards machines. Simply compare the number of supported graphic cards with e.g. MorphOS powerUp (no offense guys, you did a great job too).

-BTW... you could probably disable OS4 PCI library and use elbox drivers under emulation but you would probably not like it and would complain anyway.

-You could sell your "sucky" amiga classic and buy a "sucky" A1 or Pegasos. These modern machines also "suck" because nVidia cards don't work, but you may make an user happy since he could be able to run OS4.


You can simply wait until boing bag #45617 is released to buy it. ATM I prefer to buy it now and use it now with the current hardware support. More native drivers are going to appear from 3rd party coders and hardware support could improve in the future.

Take a look at MOS Team. The first powerUP 1.4.x release didn't support CV3d/CV64/PicassoIV but they added support in the latest versions.

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@CLS2089

GREX4000 does not work. In fact, it has to be actively ignored. I doubt a lot that grex+permedia is seen as CyberVisionPPC but you may try. I guess it won't work.

@AndrewBell
Prometheus support is more or less as good as Mediator.

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@JJ

It feels faster than 680x0 based systems, including 060. Of course, if you have a 040 you will notice your system has become very very fast :-)

Keep in mind that even if your 603e is not the fastest one, the rest of the OS runs native PPC code so even if Petunia couldn't match a 060 in some parts, you probably won't notice it because all the rest is running much faster.

I think Classic release is polished and well finished.

Keeping an old OS3.x for old stuff like WHDLoad is a good idea. I also have one with MOS so I can enjoy all amiga-like flavours :-)

Anyway Xeron has published a list of 68k demos compatible with OS4. In some cases you may get more speed if the demo is more or less system-friendly.


-edit- I didn't have much time to test an A1200 with ZorroIV but I think it will work as Zorro cards were listed correctly. I couldn't test it more, sorry.

I think ZorroIV board is more or less "clean" and probably will work correctly. Anyway keep in mind that some zorro2 card drivers may be more sensible than others to timings so most of cards probably will work but others could have problems.

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@JJ

I haven't tried it as I focused in hardware compatibility more than software. I guess E-UAE will be slow, it's slow on a G3/600 with L2 cache and SDRAM so I guess it will be unusable on a 604e. You can run the real games directly at perfect framerate with perfect timing, blitter/copper effects... there's no need to run E-UAE in such a system.

I tested my BasiliskII port and it worked correctly with Voodoo3 at 32bits. I didn't run any app inside it, but I think running basiliskII on the 060 would be much faster.

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@JJ

I don't play games. I just know WHDLoad does not work. You can load your games rebooting into OS3 in less than a minute.

@Kin-Hell

The UWSCSI controller of my CSPPC works without problems, thanks.

@Reflex
Fastlane probably won't work as it uses DMA and OS4 uses virtualized memory. Maybe if you put the buffers in chip ram... but I don't think it's possible. It's faster and easier to use the CSPPC UWSCSI controller.

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@JJ

I think I could try one again in two weeks, not earlier. But I guess it will work. You'll see the card listed when it's tested completely.

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@Akiko

Some apps like AMP2 work correctly while others like DvPlayer only show the image when you drag the window (so you may have to turn off overlay).

PalomaTV works in window, but IIRC it has problems in full screen. You can resize the window to an almost full screensize.

@mike-

I haven't tested Voodoo5 but I'm 100% sure it works without problems.


@Kin-Hell

I dont recall saying your UWSCSI was having problems!

You claimed scsi does not work. Well, CSPPC uwscsi controller works perfectly in my machine running OS4.

@BinoX

use a 7€ 50pin->68pin adapter and problem solved.


@Nearly-Right

This is ridiculous!

Elbox can update their drivers to work with OS4. They can lock a bitmap in the vooodoo memory just like they did on OS3.x and simply call OS4 PCI expansion.library functions instead of using their pci.library ones.

I mean, why should Hyperion do Elbox work? When I buy a PCI card for my PC, the ones who provides the driver are the Company who sold me the graphic card, not Microsoft. Hyperion has already provided native support for Mediator, and that's more than they should have done.

About the Blizzard SCSI controller maybe a driver is released in the future but it would be stupid to make wait to the rest of owners who already can enjoy OS4. You can wait until a scsi driver is released before buying OS4.

BTW, a Seagate 500GB IDE HD with 16MB cache costs around 100€ in Spain. A CDRW probably less than 22€. ZIP is *obsolete*. You can copy all your ZIP cartridges to hard disk and you'll still have a lot of space. If it is absolutely neccessary to use your ZIP you can reboot on OS3.x can't you? If OS4 got BlizzardPPC scsi support some day in the future you could simply buy two 25€ Yamaha SCSI-IDE adaptors for your cdrw/dvd and HD and continue using your IDE devices.

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@Kin-Hell

You mis-understood what I wrote. I said that for running CDROMS & Hard drives on the same SCSI Bus, you will slow up the hard drives performance. I didn't say it wouldn't work.

AFAIK as long as you use proper cables performance shouldn't decrease by the presence of mixed 8bit and 16bit devices regardless of being CD or HD.

Could you provide some kind of benchmarks to prove that you get better performance using both controllers simultaneusly instead of using just the more advanced UWSCSI one?

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@Nearly-Right

Elbox coders have been on OS4-beta list for years. If they don't create native OS4 PPC versions of their drivers it's clearly Elbox fault.

Hyperion told us years ago that BlizzardPPC version was going to be released *after* CyberstormPPC version because A1200 version required more drivers and testing. Instead of making all the A1200 users wait, Hyperion gives you the chance of testing it *now*. They could have perfectly released just the CSPPC version and make A1200 users wait one year instead of releasing both CSPPC and BlizzardPPC versions in just one pack.