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Offline Phonic

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Re: Mediator PCI USB card
« on: March 31, 2006, 03:14:33 PM »
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Maybe someone can tell you what chip set the Spider uses to get a similar card.

Won't work. "Spider USB" is regular NEC USB card with modified PCI ID so that you can't buy one from your local dealer. The elbox driver is locked to check for the modified PCI ID.


This is MY opinion only, take it for what you will.

This is my biggest grudge against the state of the Amiga as it stands.

Here's the thing....
Vendors have been doing this for years, it's nothing new.
We have a similar situation on the Mac, we call it the "Mac tax" - a regular AGP graphics card for the PC (For arguments sake) would cost maybe $150. The Mac version, which is identical to the PC (In every way except the onboard VGA BIOS) costs at least double that.

Is that fair?

It's also the same with a few IDE controller cards, the PC only Promise Ultra66 for instance. It's the same card with only 3 SMD resistors moved around and a Mac BIOS, the price difference is astounding.

On to my main point, if you're handy with DOS and maybe some SMD rework gear you can transform the USB card into the Amiga equivalent for no more than maybe 30mins work.

Of course this raises ethical issues with the writers of the Spider BIOS, if it even contains one.

It's a catch-22 situation with both Amiga and Mac, people are willing to spend way over the odds for a card which truthfully has only minor modifications (Sometimes none at all), the developers/marketers know that they'll only sell a few to the Ami/Mac minority so they have to make their cash on the Amiga tax.
They also know that they have the market cornered which forces a lot of people out of the Amiga scene.

And you wonder why the number of Amigans is shrinking.

If you're willing to pay $60+ for what is essentially a $15 USB card, fair enough - you're supporting the developers.
On the other hand if these vendors maybe sold the card at a premium to the early adpoters, then gradually bought the price down over time, more people would buy it, they'd make more money and everybody would be happy. The "Gotta have it now" crowd would have their card, the developers would get their slice and the regular "I'll wait for the price to come down" guys would eventually get the card.

That's how the business model works in every retail situation and it does work.

I for one won't (and can't) buy something like the Spider. I don't have the cash and this USB card (In my opinion) isn't worth anywhere near what retailers are charging for it so people like myself have to get creative and if you have the skills it will save you a lot of money.

FYI - I have 2 identical cards sitting in front of me, one in my PC and one in my Mac, both working perfectly.
I bought them 2 weeks ago brand new for $15 each.
 

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Re: Mediator PCI USB card
« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2006, 03:39:52 PM »
Just an addition regarding custom designed cards built from the ground-up for the Amigas.
These people put a lot of effort into making life with the Amiga better and my rant isn't directed toward them.
 

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Re: Mediator PCI USB card
« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2006, 03:33:33 AM »
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MAC Tax? Wtf?

The reason xxx card for the mac costs double the price of an identical card on the pc will almost certainly be down to the scale that the cards are produced at. Thus you pay more to fund the people who wrote the firmware.


That's a contradiction.
If the cards are identical, made at the same fab with the same components by the same people how are they producing more of the PC variety?

They all come off the same line and they're all built to the same budget until a few are pulled out and flashed with the Mac compatible ROM.

You can't honestly believe that a relatively simple modification to a 64KB file justifies a 100% price hike even after factoring in R&D, testing etc.
Oh, and don't forget the sticker on the front of the box....

"Mac Edition"
Must cost hundreds to design that.

The Mac tax.

Back on topic, if anyone wants to know where to get one of the USB cards, shoot me a PM.
 

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Re: Mediator PCI USB card
« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2006, 12:54:32 PM »
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It's copyright infrigiment to redistribute such hacked drivers, and in most countries it's illegal to distribute tool(s) that modify the driver to accept any such card. In some countries it's even illegal to "crack" the driver for your own purposes (it's illegal in Finland since jan 1st 2006, for example).


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_engineering

Some good reading.