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Offline chris

Re: Whatever Happened to the Acorn range of computers?
« on: October 07, 2003, 07:00:58 PM »
Yes, I spent quite a lot of time playing Lemmings at school - until they banned it (but this didn't stop us, it just went "underground" and was only played while no teachers were around, with a finger wavering over the power button)

RISC OS is a lovely OS.  Okay, version 2 was a bit dodgy, but 3.x is fantastic.  The save requester involves dragging an icon into the filer window where you want to save it (why has nobody copied this? It's logical), and loading is done by dragging the file into the program window or double clicking.  There are no "traditional" file requesters.  All file associations are made with a (and I admit I had to look this up) Set Alias$@RunType_XXX .  File typing is a bit Mac-style, using a three-digit hex number for each type, and associating this with a more readable name (with Set File$Type), consequently - like on the Mac - you lose the file types if you start playing with files on a different OS/FS.  Applications are just ordinary directories with names beginning with an exclamation mark, the file within these called "!Boot" is run as soon as you open the dir containing the app.  "!Run" is executed when you double-click on the application.  This is very neat, as any files the application needs can be stored within the application directory, and referenced with "." (similar to Amiga's "PROGDIR:").  The icon is stored in !Sprites or !Sprites22 normally, but this can be changed with IconSprites in !Boot.  IconSprites can also be used to replace any element of the GUI, you just need a sprite file containing sprites with the correct names.

The device (disk) naming always struck me as a bit longwinded, rather than on Windows and AmigaOS where you get a logical device name, RISC OS devices just join together the filesystem and unit, so you get something like ADFS::0.$ or CDFS::4.$.  The other annoyance is that the requesters block the rest of the system, as do BASIC programs if they are not RISC OS centric, but other than that the multi-tasking is as good as Exec's (if not better).  Oh, and the filesystem supports 880K disks (and 1.6MB, which it will happily format DD disks to), like the Amiga, but with 10 char filename limit.  I'm not sure if Acorn used a standard FDC to achieve this, but they could certainly also read/write DOS disks.

The UI is also very good, with iconification of all windows (shift-click the close gadget), the menu (including multi-select) being on the middle button, no windows get focus unless there is a good reason for it (like a string gadget to fill in).  If you want a backdrop picture, drag the picture in question out to the Pinboard (which works like Workbench's backdrop), middle-click to get the menu, and "set as backdrop", which is intuitive.  Again, I'm surprised that feature hasn't been copied.

I think it is a model for good OS design in a lot of places.  I would seriously consider moving over to it from AmigaOS if it was more active than the Amiga market.  My investment (hardware and software) is with the Amiga though, and I have a lot to lose to consider moving to yet another "dead" platform.

Chris
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Offline chris

Re: Whatever Happened to the Acorn range of computers?
« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2003, 09:07:02 AM »
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Wishmaster wrote:
It shurely is not ahead of AmigaOS, they don't even have shared libraries.


They have RM Modules (which probably stands for "Relocatable Module" Modules), and they are indeed shared, load one into memory and you get extra commands (probably internal functions as well, I'm not quite sure how they work).

Chris
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Offline chris

Re: Whatever Happened to the Acorn range of computers?
« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2003, 01:27:48 PM »
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CU_AMiGA wrote:
So Acorns are still about! lol
I hated the early acorns, i forgot there name but were in a similar case to the A500 with green or red F keys.


The A3000 was in an A500 style case.  The A3010/3020 had green F keys and were in a smaller, more A1200-style case.  I was offered an A3010 for nowt a while back, along with one of those nice Acorn-branded multiscan monitors, but couldn't pick it up :-(

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What was lemmings like on the Acorn, any screenshots? Are Acorns being emulated?


Lemmings was virtually indistinguisable from the Amiga version, except the level codes rhymed with the level number.  So "TIMEFORTEA" would be the code for level 3, or whatever.

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Are people trying to tell me that Acorn is better than Amigas at more serious stuff (aka Word Processing and DTP) but not for games? What games are on the Acorn?


I don't know whether it is technically better or worse for apps or games, but certainly being aimed at the educational market meant more serious software was released for it (something else I've just remembered - the save requester allowed you to drag and drop the file into another application without saving or playing with copy and paste options, which is very neat and saves a lot of time for editing files embedded in other documents).  Games-wise, I'm only aware of Lemmings and Lander (a Zeewolf-type game, a demo of which was shipped with RISC OS), but there are probably loads more even discounting compatible BBC games such as the Tea Shop game and Granny's Garden.

Chris
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Re: Whatever Happened to the Acorn range of computers?
« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2003, 03:46:33 PM »
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So then. How much does the average Acorn computer cost then? The latest models?


After a quick search, I found an Iyonix for a mere £1250 (excluding monitor).  It makes the AmigaOne look cheap.

I forgot to mention emulators earlier - there are a couple for Windows, the one I use is RedSquirrel, but you need ROM images and (ideally) RISC OS disks (RISC OS up to 3.11(?) is mainly on ROM, later RISC PC ones are mainly disk based, don't know about 4.x or higher).

Chris
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