Windows is buggy and slow lets buy a Mac

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... everyone knows that MAC users can't think, their machines are turn on, use, then turn off,

You're dead right I don't think about anything other than turning on, using and turning off my MacBook. Why should I have to think about anything else? When I'm using my Mac for writing my dissertation, researching something for use in clinic, viewing and annotating handouts during a lecture or seminar, or any number of other taxing tasks, I don't want to have to think about what my computer is doing or why. I want my OS to leave me alone while I'm working, and OS X does that.

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What the hell is hard about just waiting 20 seconds for a computer to shut down?

My post said nothing about it being hard to wait for a computer to shut down. My point was that I don't want to be bothered by the OS while I'm working.

Oh and games for Mac? That's a joke in itself if you ask me, why by a system that doesn't allow you to let off steam once in a while (or at-least very limited).

I don't play games on my Mac, but if I did I could easily install Windows and reboot into XP to play games. I know the hardware isn't ideal for most modern games, but I knew that when I bought it. Gaming wasn't a consideration when I bought the machine.

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@smerf
Fair enough if you're more of a tinkerer. But I don't think it's fair to assume that all Mac users "can't think", and that they need "a completely controlled environment so that they  "won't make any mistakes or crash the MAC". Personally I have worked in IT and am very experienced in using computers. I am very technical, but got fed up with mucking about with computers all day. So yes, I want a computer which I can just turn on, use, and turn off again. IMO the best solution for that is a Mac.

Oh, and I'm very interested to hear exactly what software Macs run which "regulates on how you use your equipment". I'm not restricted in any way whatsoever on how I use my Mac. I can use any software I like with absolutely no restriction at all.

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@quarkx
Honestly, I can't argue with anything you have said. And if I could be bothered, I would do exactly what you suggested: find a nice laptop which is compatible with the hacked version(s) of OS X 10.5 or 10.6 and use that. The reasons I haven't done so are as follows:

1. Software updates can break the hacked OS (whether deliberately or not...)
2. I haven't yet found a notebook I like which is *fully* supported by Hackintosh
3. On some hardware, getting Hackintosh working is a real effort
4. On some systems, OS X is reported to be pretty unstable

OS X is my operating system of choice. As much as I'd love to be able to run it on anything, I enjoy the ease and stability of running it on Apple hardware. And I'm prepared to pay extra for that. If you're not, then fair enough.

I can't comment on the FreeBSD vs. OS X business as I've never actually used FreeBSD. However, my understanding is that Apple have made fairly significant modifications and additions to the BSD core of OS X.

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     In response to your 2. I have heard of in the hackintosh forums that one of the Dell Mini Notebooks was fully supported to be a Hackintosh.  I cannot remember the model number but it was apparently a big deal and then Dell stopped selling the model.

*edit* It was the Dell Mini 9, and it was quickly replaced with the Mini 10V that wasn't fully compatible.
http://gizmodo.com/5156903/how-to-hackintosh-a-dell-mini-9-into-the-ultimate-os-x-netbook this is an article about the mini 9.  Seems like an interesting read.

I remember reading about that, and went in to PC World to try out a Mini 9. Unfortunately I can't get on with the keyboard on a netbook, and increasing the storage on it would also have cost a fortune. I'm looking for a full-sized notebook, not a netbook. If you have any ideas about a fully Hackintosh-supported notebook, please let me know

On the stability of OSX on a hackintosh, I don't know.  I helped a friend of mine build a hackintosh and we followed the guides online and the thing has never had an issue so those stability issues might be hardware related.

That's good to know. Perhaps things have moved on since I last looked into it.

My G4 Mac crashes OSX so I cannot be sure.  Then again I haven't encountered an OS I couldn't crash...  It's one of the reasons I like to beta test OS software.  I enjoy finding things that break so they can be fixed later.  

In all honesty I have only been able to crash OS X once, and that was my own fault for attempting to hack some system files from Tiger into Leopard. The machine hung and then wouldn't boot. I had to install the OS on a USB drive, then replace the files and it was ok. That was all entirely my own fault though - in day-to-day (heavy) use, I find OS X rock solid and it has never failed me.

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Is this turning into a discussion on how to hack the Mac OS in order to run it on whatever system you choose?  Hate to say it, but that would violate Apple's rights.  Sounds like a piracy discussion, which I know isn't allowed here.

Am I missing something?

Well personally I have a family Leopard and have only installed on two machines, so installing an extra copy does not constitute copyright theft. The EULA is not legally binding so installing on non-Apple equipment is not illegal.

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I find the command line interface a very usable feature, I don't like using computers without it.

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Since you brought it up, this is one of the features or lack of that I do not like a MAC. Once again it that old Apple saying, "Make it simple to use"

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