Threat against Amiga sites?

[Belial6]

You guys should all realize that every time you guys go on a Doomy rampage, you push the idea that he did nothing wrong.  How long has it been since this guy was on A.org?  Yet, there are regular threads about how unstable the guy was.  I think the members of Amiga.org, should start taking a closer look at themselves.

I mean really, it was even suggested in this thread that his address should be posted, and someone should go to his home and beat him.  Again, since I have been here, it hasn't been Doomy that has been acting unstable.

[Belial6]

Doomy is on right now, even in this discussion.

If Doomy is on right now, why don't you just out him?  And even if you don't, why don't you apply the TOS to the attacks that are continually heaped on the guy?  As far as I can tell, he is an Amiga.Org made villain.  How bad could he have behaved that would be worse than calling for a real life in the flesh beating?

[Belial6]

If he has been here all this time, it makes the torch and pitchfork wielding appear all that much more unstable.  It wasn't Franko who suggested posting a home address.  It was Darren.  As much as Darren may have been joking, there has been at least once recently during a hate session that a photo of the persons home was posted.  And, as much as some here are joking, and my be just fine with Doomy, it is clear that not everyone here is joking.  There are clearly people here that, right or wrong really hate this guy.  It really turns the site into an ugly place.

Again, it is one thing to give someone a friendly ribbing and suggest that they get tickled to death.  It is quite another to suggest posting his address so that someone can assault him in a forum with people who really do hate him.

[Belial6]

I get that he very well likely did many of the things that are claimed of him.  The problem is that while it is said he went so far as to threaten you Wayne, I also see in this very thread a physical threat against him.  As I understand it, he was banned because the kind of nutbaggary that would make physical threats are not the kind you want here.  I would agree with that, but the rules against threats seems to only apply to those that the mob has decided they don't like.

There are definitely nutcases on this board.  Heck, one might argue that hanging out on this board pretty much defines you as a nutcase, but the viciousness on this board gets REALLY bad, and a blind eye is turned when for some people, while the TOS bets broken out for others.

The comments made against "Mr. Campbell" go far beyond warning against doing business with the guy.  They are incessant, and personal attacks.  They set the bar pretty low for what is considered acceptable behavior, and they are frequently exactly what some of the claims against him are.

I realize that many of use were in high school when we were first introduced to the Amiga, but we are not any more.  We should act like grown ups.  OK, maybe not grown ups.  But we should at least be civil.

[Belial6]

Ahh... So saying quite being a hypocrite and bagging on some guy that isn't even (at least openly) on this board, including threats, is trolling?  I get the context.  The context is that many people on this board think the guy is a crook, and an ass.   The guy is gone from Amiga.org.  If he isn't really gone, he is at least in hiding.  You already won.  The pitchfork and torch waving that is still going on isn't "context".  It is seeing a guy that you have already beat down, and then going out of your way to just keep kicking him.

The context I see is a group of bullies who have found a target that they can use to rationalize their petty asshole behavior because after all "he ripped off users".

[Belial6]

@ Belial6

Where is this physical threat in this thread you speak of, I've been looking and can't find it

To me personally I find this thread quite amusing and don't honestly think anyone is going to hunt down HC and duff him up, as far as I can tell it's just all a bit of  fun.

In this so called civilised world there are far more hideous things happening right now as we speak that you should be getting worked up about rather than taking too seriously what is nothing more than a bit of banter...

The threat was in 8th entry in this thread.  It was made by Darrin.

A bit of fun is you threatening me with fuzzy tickle sticks.  OK, a bit of fun is using the tickles sticks, but that is another story.  I am here.  You are poking fun at me, to me.  Bagging on a guy that has been banned from the site is not poking a bit of fun.  Again, a simple warning that he has ripped some people off from this site is one thing, but that is not what is happening here.  When you actually think badly of someone, saying bad things about them is entirely different than saying bad things about your pal that you think is a great guy.  One is a bit of fun, the other is an attack.

[Belial6]

It is, Belia is deliberately ignoring context to prove himself right. He won't let it drop until Darrin gets permanently banned for making a jokey comment. You watch, any time there's a heavy discussion and the TOS gets talked about, he'll bring this up again.



Peace is just a camera shot around the corner from war.

I am not suggesting that Darrin get banned.  I am suggeting that if moderation is going to be done, the endless bitch sessions filled with derogatory comments about a guy that was banned YEARS ago, is a good place to start, rather than the administrators joining in.

And why wouldn't I point to this thread when the TOS gets talked about?  The TOS don't come up very often, as banning and moderation is pretty lenient on the site, but when moderation has come up, it has always been for things far less than what has happened in this thread.

Ask yourself, are there half as many posts talking about Cammie's gaming contest as there are posts bagging on Doomy?  Which of the two is being productive to the site?  Which of the two is actually still a member?

If Doomy is such a threat to the community that he needs this much coverage, then just have a sticky at the top of every forum, warning not to do business with him and move on.

[Belial6]

OK another time i didn't want to join in but i will... who in their right mind would take what Darrin said about tickle sticks seriously?? are you 5 years old and don't know what humour is?
Honestly if you think of that as a threat i would hate to see what you would do if someone said Boo to you late at night.
But since i think you and selles are both doomy i guess you have to troll for something to keep you alive.. (ahhh i have hit the nail on the head.. doomy needs trolling NOT food to keep him alive.....)

Really?  Is that where it goes?  It strikes me that Doomy is Amiga.orgs very own Godwin.  Instead of brining up Hitler and calling anyone that disagrees with you a Nazi, you call them Doomy.  The site administrator can see my IP address.  He can see that I log in from Northern California 100% of the time.

You should also read better.  Darrin said to post Doomy's address, and that one of us must live withing "arms reach" of him.  That is a threat.

It was Franko that made the comment about tickle sticks, and I explicitly said that it was NOT a real threat.  Why?  Because he made it TO ME.  He wasn't involved in some hate session that I could not defend myself in.

But seeing the join date of 2007, I feel it safe to assume that you, like me, have never actually had an interaction with Doomy.  Yet you still see him lurking in the shadows.  You decide, "I don't like what he is saying.  He must be Doomy."

@Transition

Only if you think Lindsey Lohan is sneaking into your parties in disguise...

[Belial6]

@Belial6

The issue is pretty irrelevant at this point.  George is banned.

Which is why the pitchfork and torch waving is so bad.

For God's sake, I'm old enough to take care of myself, and I have enough firepower within easy reach to take care of pretty much any nutbag who bangs on my door in the middle of the night.  This is Alabama after all.

As you should.

What I don't forgive, or forget, is someone who knowingly abuses a community that I had a large part of, to the extent of ripping off my friends.  Yes.  Personal friends.  People I physically know, as in "stayed in my spare bedroom while looking for a job locally" friends.  That's not heresay, or conjecture.  That's fact.

That is a good reason for you to really dislike the guy.

You say we're being kinda rough on ol' George.  There are times when I might agree with you that it goes too far.  That being said, when "Doommaster" put on the proverbial clown suit and painted a proverbial target on his forehead, he's pretty much made the joke out of himself over the years.

Youtube videos with him wistfully pining "Only Amiga" badly off-key have only served to reinforced his reputation as "someone we don't want around".

I know nothing about the clown suit, but certainly singing badly just isn't that bad of an offense.  Sticking to complaints about ripping off users makes a better argument.

My advice to you here sir, and I'm being honest, is to re-read this thread with an objective mind.  Realize that it's not just me, or the admins, or the new owners, or Bill P that dislike the guy.  It's everyone pretty much universally.

And that is where it goes overboard.  If you and the admins and the new owners, and everyone who has had actual contact with the guy dislike him, that is one thing.  It is a clear sign that things have turned into a mob witchhunt when it becomes universal, including people that don't even know the guy.

As such, there's got to be something to that (we cannot all be wrong).

Yes, you can.  That is kind of why mobs are bad.

If you insist on continuing to play the role of his knight in shining armor here trying to defend and save him, I'm afraid you might be disappointed, as you're going to find it difficult to find any friends on this site, let alone "convert" anyone to thinking George is a good guy.

I think if you read my posts, you will not find any place where I even imply that the he is a good guy.  Not even once.  I have even specifically pointed out previously that I don't know the guy, and believe those that had bad experiences with him.  That is why I said he is our version of Godwins Law.  Saying that taking things too far and encouraging a big round of mob hate is a bad thing, gets turning into accusations of being a sypathizer.  It isn't about trying to "defend and save" doomy.  It is about trying to defend Amiga.org.  If you haven't noticed the hate sessions start spilling over to others.

Just look at some of the comments about CUSA.  As far as I know, they haven't taken a dime from anyone.  His worst offense seems to be using a decade old graphic without permission.  The scale of attacks against them are simply unwarranted.  So, who is next on that list?

It's sometimes difficult to maintain order without being called "censor" or "nazi" or even "anti-Christ" (I always LOVED that one). What I learned over the years of running Amiga.org is fairly simple. Even wonderful, saintly people who inhabit online forums tend to adopt a "group-think" or better stated, a "mob". mentality.

Take the recent cries to forgive Doomy for example. One guy brings up a valid point about us going to the other extreme (we do tend to slam on doomy at the slightest mention of his name) and we all jump on board to decry the poster for it.

And that is basically my point.  Although, you will not find anywhere that I have even suggested he be forgiven.  Just that any hint of his name gets out of control, and it has started moving to the point that his name seems to start getting brought up just so that a hate session can start.


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Just a thought, and I wish you a Merry Christmas.

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And happy Festivus.

[Belial6]

Belial6, henceforth, you shall be referred to as Mrs. Campbell, you are officially Doomies bitch :lol:

As long as you don't mind being referred to as Cow Anus Licker, since everything coming out of your is bullshit.  So, Anus Licker, we can have a merry Christmas knowing that we have shiny new pet names for each other.