CommodoreUSA site updated

[Belial6]

People can pick apart CUSA all they want, but what they are stating as their plan is both attractive, and actually feasible.  The prototype photos of the C64 case shows that they are serious about actually rebuilding the brand.

No, it isn't going to compete against Mac or the PC.  That ship has sailed.  I know that if the PC64 makes it to market at an only slightly unreasonable price, I will buy one.  It is certainly more practical than my MiniMig, and it doesn't fall prey to the MiniMigs fatal flaw of not having a reasonable case.  Looking at the prototype cases for the PC64, I have to say, it looks really nice.  I'm not sure about the F-Keys being replaced by media keys, but if they are not already remappable, that should just be a software issue.

I am honestly surprised that they haven't already just said screw it, and decided to forget the whole thing.  I am glade they didn't.

[Belial6]

Until CUSA actually collects money from someone, and fails to deliver AFTER taking their money, they are at the very worst big talkers.  I have to agree that the viciousness that is directed at CUSA seems more like people worried that products will actually be produced.

I have to agree about the 'copyright violation' complaints as well.  Every single person on this board has committed copyright violations.  We see 'stolen' artwork in peoples avatars all the time.  And, it seems mighty convenient that the people that claim copyright purity only show up to bag on CUSA, and never seem to be around to bag on people like Motorollin for 'stealing' DoomMaster's work.  They never seem to complain when Rick Rolls start flying around.

Looking back at old threads, and the hypocritical treatment that is shown between the chosen, and the witches, there is no doubt that the complaints of copyright violation are more about rationalizing bad behavior on the part of the Amiga community than it is about wanting people to do the right thing.

[Belial6]

@takemehomegrandma (and she should have done it years ago IMHO)

Or is it? Is it stupid really? 90% of the TRUE Commodore and Amiga people think this takes the piss. A C64 shell with a x86 board inside. It looks awful. I can get a C64 off ebay and do the same in 90 minutes, with better specifications parts.

I have seen your case for the MiniMig.  No you can't.

TRUE Commodore and Amiga people

REAL Amigans

These groups don't exist.  They are a fictional category made up to rationalize that everyone who disagrees with you is defacto wrong.  They are a fallacy.

[Belial6]

Personally, I'm kind of impressed that anyone actually managed to bring the rights to use the Commodore and Amiga brands together under one roof for the first time since the Commodore bankruptcy (something I'm sure that many people has dreamed of during the years), that they are working on a complete remake of the bread-box C64, that they will use this for new, modern Commodore Amiga computers that not only plays all the C64 and Amiga games and applications that returning Commodore Amiga fans would expect, but also offering the 2010 level applications that everyone expects today.

Whether they will really pull it off or not remains to be seen, but all the aspects of their ambitions impresses at least me!

Now that you mention it, that act alone might be more impressive than the even the creation of the Amiga itself.  It only took overcoming engineering obstacles to create the Amiga.  CUSA had to battle (IP) Trolls.

[Belial6]

OK, I'm impressed with their success in securing the use of the "Commodore Amiga" name, but I'm not happy with their stealing of artwork -- and confused by the countless new models that they keep announcing (with computer-rendered artwork) before actually releasing anything of use.

OK, since this keeps coming up, how about anyone who has never used anyone else's art without permission please step forward.  I keep hearing people complain about that, and yet I have never met anyone over the age of about 3 that hasn't used someone else's "IP" without permission.

[Belial6]

I hope you spend hours working on some cool Amiga artwork/mock-up, only to find it tomorrow on the C=USA website without your permission.  Get it?

The same could be said about those dirty thieves using my precious artwork for their own pleasure as avatars.  I do get it.  You are a hypocrite.  When you do it, it is OK, and when someone else does it, it is 'stealing'.

[Belial6]

Either you run a serious business or you don't.
If you're a serious business you tend to respect IP law.

If your attitude is "I'll do whatever I want, until Im caught", that doesn't inspire me to spend money on you.

Because companies like Microsoft are not serious businesses.  Right?  You obviously have some really screwy definition of serious business.

[Belial6]

Are these people selling or attempting to sell these avatars to members of the public?

Is this company trying to sell the artwork to members of the public?

That he deliberately has chosen to ignore on several threads already.

Yes, he has ignored people who did not own the copyright on the artwork.  As far as I know, not once has CUSA ignored the request of the copyright owner to remove the art.  You don't get to decide what is done with that artwork any more than CUSA does.

[Belial6]

@Belial6

>>I have seen your case for the MiniMig. No you can't.

What do you mean? Sorry I don't understand... "I have seen the case for the Minimig. No you can't"?!? What?

Real Amigans do exist, of course they do. They are on these fora, 90% of Amigans on this very forum have been bashing and making fun of CUSA why do you think?

What don't you understand.  Arn't you the "TheDaddy" that was selling cases for the MiniMig?  Those cases while looking just fine as a home project, simply did not look professional.  So, I am calling you out on your claim that you could turn a real C64 into just as good of a case in short order.

The people on this forum are basing CUSA because they find the idea of new equipment that might actually sell outside of the existing user base to be a threat to their 'elite' status.  The very fact that you declare there to be a group of 'real Amigans' confirms this.

[Belial6]

A side note, I have enough linux experience to tell you that linux and amiga os are worlds apart. It may be fairly easy to get linux to look like amiga, but getting it to work anything like amiga os is entirely different.

Steven

If you cannot get Linux to behave EXACTLY like an Amiga with very little effort, then you either have very little experience with Linux, or you are a really slow learner.

[Belial6]

LOL! Now onto personal attacks...My cases didn't look professional, OH MY GOD! Thank you very much.

I am not here to discuss my designs, as I am still waiting to see one of yours.
Ask the hundreds of people who bought the Minimig case what they think, the continuous emails I am receiving asking to produce more.

Of course not.  Your here to complain about someone elses.  Being the only supplier of a product will help in getting people to ask for more, even if it is only a hobby level of quality.  I don't blame them.  Contrary to your claim, modifying an existing case to fit a board is a PITA.  So, if someone is selling something functional you go for it.

The Minimig case is an original design, developed with engineering precision. It was meant to cover the needs of many who bought the Minimig board and didn't want it to get damaged. It wasn't meant to sell millions or take on Apple.

'engineering precision'?  Sounds a little like claims of 'mil spec'.  Based on the photos you have posted, you have a very loose definition of 'engineering precision'.

You are talking about a single person working in his garage, investing his own money and time VS a company with an alleged $35 million budget so I say go and get lost!

Your cases look fine for a single person working in his garage.  They do not look like cases produced by a business.  They don't look professional.  They look like hobby cases.

I don't care what their budget is, the prototypes of the PC64 cases look very good.  They look professional.  They do not look like hobby projects which is what most people would get if they spent a great deal of time trying to fit a PC into an original C64 case.

You are talking out of your arsehole. If you listen carefully...you can hear it.

I hope you can find the irony in that statement based on the first sentence of your post.

The CUSA C64 is just a C64 case with some cut outs for a DVD and the card reader. It looks very 1980s and it's not very original.

It is not just a C64 case with some cutouts for a DVD and a card reader.  It is a reproduction.  It certainly takes more skill to produce a good reproduction than it takes to make a plastic box with a few holes cut out of it.

Of course it looks very 1980's and it's not very original.  That is the point of a 1980's reproduction.  If it didn't look 1980's and was original, it would have failed in it's goal.

[Belial6]

Make what personal insults you want.  It won't fill the gaps in the cases, and it won't make the edges line up.

No, I am not going to buy one of your cases to to prove that they are hobby quality.  You have posted perfectly fine pictures showing the quality.

[Belial6]

Umm...I think the idea of it looking exactly like a C64 was the whole point.
The problem with using an original C64 case (beyond mangling an original) would be the keyboard.  You would have to buy a Keyrah adaptor....but I think that what CommodoreUSA has done with the very retro looking PC keyboard is a nice touch.



If you read the website you will see these are preliminary prototypes done on a resin printer.

I'm not trying to defend CommodoreUSA but I do think the case (assuming the final will be of the correct colour and be more precisely made) is a retro-product done right.  I will remain suspicious of them until I see them actually on the market though...

The gaps an non-lined up edges are in reference to TheDaddy's cases not CUSA's.

[Belial6]

Damn you guys are tenacious!

I can't believe you're all still tossing this one about!

Hey, someone has had the balls to reunite the Commodore and Amiga trademarks and is trying to resurrect a long dead business entity.

If the endeavor doesn't meet all the requirements that you hold dear in some fantasy of what such a project should look like - so be it.

Its Altman's project, and he's going to do things his way.

Right here in this thread we have some people complaining that the C64 case is bad because it looks just like the original, and others who are complaining that the Amiga cases don't look exactly like the original.  They look like new takes on the old cases.

[Belial6]

I am hoping that they are successful with the PC64, so that they can rationalize more retro replica cases.