Several PPC cards on Amibench

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@Flowman

I ask once again, please will you PM me with the Phone Number YOU used to contact Binder?

Thanks,  

JaX

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@NightShade

Maybe he trucked further East and emailed from a cybercafe?

JaX

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@All Concerned

This is to let everyone know that the letter detailing all the events so far is ready to go to the Police in Albstadt.
I have made a listing of who sent money to Binder, the card you ordered and the amount you paid. Your name and address, phone number and email details (where provided to me) are included.

This letter will be sent on Monday next (3 May 2004), assuming the goods do not arrive this weekend (don't hold breath please!)

@Flowman

Your lack of help in providing your contact number for Binder is noted. It would have been useful to include it in the letter, especially if it is different from the one I have. But fear not, we have at least one phone number which gets to him, helpfully confirmed by cgutjahr (many thanks).
You said you planned on talking to Binder again, before the letter goes to the Police. I ernestly suggest you get on with this pretty damned quick and tell us all of the outcome on this thread. I dare say Binder is pretty well aware of the situation and doubt that any further discussion with him will alter the position one bit.

People have said how surprised they are at what he seems to have done. Binder seems to be fairly well known in German Amiga circles and one or two people say they can't believe he'd scam anyone. Well, maybe he had a brainstorm when he saw what others have done recently (scam PPC ads, etc).

Maybe he did something totally out of character and maybe he didn't. All I know is he has acted here in a completely illegal and fraudulent way. He has taken well over 2,000 Euros from us and sent us nothing. No cards, no receipts, no explanation. Who knows how many other people are awaiting stuff? Not everybody who uses AmiBench spends their time at Aorg. It could be double the number here.

Anyway, that's what will happen.

Cheers,

JaX

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@tangletown etc.

I just learned that Flowman sent Binder's phone number to Ryu (Ex mod here) when he (Ryu) offered to phone Germany weeks ago. So....

Cheers,

JaX
(The truth is out there...)

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@All Concerned

I just realised, Monday 3 May is a Bank Holiday in the UK, so no post collections.

So, the Binder dossier will actually be on it's way to Albstadt Police on Tuesday. It'll go by Recorded Delivery or whatever it's called in Germany.

If BB's gonna pull this outa the fire, he'd better get his skates on! And in case he's visiting:

Ziehen Sie ihre Schlittschuhe auf, Bernd!

JaX

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@tangletown

And maybe pigs will fly!

[Edit: He wouldn't be confused with the letter and cheque I sent him. It confirmed my email ordering a PPC card at the agreed price. He cashed the cheque. If 'the real Binder' did't know why I sent the cheque, he could have easily asked. It's Binder alright.]

Cheers,

JaX
(The true really is out there....somewhere....!)

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@CU_Amiga

Yes, I got the number from Flowman and it tallies with those from other sources.

@Flowman

As I noted earlier, I am on the point of sending a dossier of information about this Binder deal to Albstadt Police on Tuesday. Nothing is gonna stop that now.

You've been talking about having another chat with Binder for some time now and at the twelvth hour, you're asking us what you should say to him...!..! Get real! What sort of discussion do you think it needs?

Other than asking about the weather in Albstadt, you might tell him that he's a fraud and that he's taken over 2,000 Euros from us by pretending to have something to sell which he clearly doesn't have.

Ask him why his promises to send the cards and his promise to send postal receipts by Registered Letter remain just that - promises.

Ask him why he doesn't answer emails about not sending our cards.

Ask him why he does answer emails enquiring to purchase more cards.

Ask him what the HELL has happened to him?

Ask him if he realises his reputation in the Amiga market is going down the tubes.

Ask him if he wants to contiue with his Ebay business?

Ask him how will that be, when Ebay bans him from its service?

Or maybe you've got something else to ask him?

Whatever Binder says, maybe anything relevant will be posted here please?

Oh, and don't forget to tell him that the Fraud Squad will be calling anytime soon - or maybe he knows that already.

JaX



 

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@Flowman

If I seemed angry at you, I apologise.

Seems everyone around here has got a bit jumpy of late, eh everyone?

Cheers,

JaX

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@odin

I emailed 'Karoly Toth' about the situation with his friend Binder, but got no reply. Seems Binder and the Toth duo are either in league with each other or they are one and the same person (Binder).

@everyone

Yesterday, I received a last minute request to add someone to the list of names. I'm awaiting his full details and will get the letter off to the Police as soon as possible. I will confirm this as soon as it's done.

If there's anyone else on AmigaOrg who thinks they should be on the list, but for some reason haven't said so, THIS IS YOUR LAST CHANCE to be included. Please send me your real name and address, phone number, email address, the card you ordered and the price you paid. NOW!!

Either PM me here or email me at the address shown in my Aorg Profile.

If you don't, then you'll have to contact Albstadt Police yourself.

Cheers,

JaX

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@x56h34

For the fraudulent theft of well over 2,000 Euros, he may face a jail sentence if convicted.

@All concerned

I have now received the final details for the letter. There will be no further additions now, because I have to redraft it and print it tonight, ready for posting tomorrow.

Cheers,

JaX

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@All concerned

The letter to the Police should now be on its way in the 10a.m. post. I sent it by the 'Signed For' service. All we can do now is wait.

If anyone feels they should talk directly to the Police in Albstsdt, here is the info you need.

Schutz-u. Kriminalpolizei Polizeivier
Truchtelfingen
Rudolf-Diesel-Strasse 3
72461 Albstadt
Germany

Phone: (07432) 955-0
Fax:   (07432) 955-109

Outside Germany, remove the zero from the Albstadt area code.

Cheers,

JaX

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@girv73

Oh dear, I suspected there would be others who sent money, but don't visit Aorg so often. Your money puts the known sum to around 3,000 Euros. Quite a lucrative scam, eh.

Unfortunately, the letter to the Albstadt Police is already on its way (see my earlier post). All I can suggest is making contact yourself at the address I've given above.

You could either phone them or fax them and tell them to include you in the Binder case which they will know about in three or four days time. You could refer to my letter dated 4 May 2004. I'll send you details by Aorg's Private Mailing system.

[EDIT: Erm, where's the PM button gone?]

Cheers,

JaX

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@CU_Amiga

What would you like cgutjahr to do? If he gets face to face with Binder, who knows what could happen? It could turn nasty. We shouldn't ask anyone to risk themselves on our behalf, especially now the Police are involved.

If anyone pays Binder a visit and gets involved in anything physical, our fraud case could fall apart around our ears. So,let the Police deal with Binder and his cronies.

Cheers,

JaX

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@All concerned

Just a quick update.
The letter is now in Germany and awaits delivery.

JaX

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@All involved

I will try to send a copy of the letter to Flowman when each of the seven other 'members' give me the OK to do so.

If you do not wish your details to go, let me know.

I'll send nothing until I get feedback (via PM or on here) from the seven others. It may take a short while I guess.

[EDIT2: Yes it's seven others, forgot a late-comer. See below]


Cheers,

JaX

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@All concerned

Other than Flowman and myself (JaXanim), I need feedback from:

NightShade737
CU_Amiga
punkpie
Jose
PulsatingQuasar

Preacher..OK
x56h34....OK

Cheers,

Jax