Weird issue with Amiga 600

[AmiDude]

For me the biggest advantage of CF over hdd though is the fact you can use larger capacity than a harddrive without needing additional power. My 32gig CF card (Patriot) works fine off the internal ide connector without needing to butcher the a1200 to provide extra power. Using a traditional 2.5 inch ide drive youre restricted to between 6 and 8 gig or thereabouts unles you want to provide it with extra power.

Nonsense. I use a 40Gig 2.5" HD in my A1200 + Apollo1260 + IndiVisionAGA +
IdeFix-Express, without "butchering" my A1200. The whole system gets power
from an original A500 4.5A power brick, without any problems!

[AmiDude]

...BTW you forgot to mention it also uses more power and heats up your mainboard more.

4 GB SANDISK ULTRA(not a copy) rools.

A little bit more power is not an issue. The 2.5" HD gets not overheated like a 68040 CPU. It just reaches a normal warm temperature. And it certainly isn't heating-up the motherboard!

And Sandisk Ultra does NOT rule. I've got a genuine 4GB Sandisk Ultra CF which reaches a speed
of 4.1MB p/s on my 1260 system. The Toshiba 40GB 2.5" HD reaches 5.2MB p/s!!!
(I also tested various other CF's and HD's, and the result was always in favour of the 2.5" HD's.)

So if it's about speed, the 2.5" HD's are the real winners! :banana:

[AmiDude]

HOw did you get those numbers? What filesystem? What ide device? What driver? Etc etc


tia

Read ALL the posts next time! Like I mentioned before:
"I use a 40Gig 2.5" HD in my A1200 + Apollo1260 + IndiVisionAGA + IdeFix-Express."  
Oh, and just plain ol' FFS Int DirCache (except one backup partition; that's PFS3).

[AmiDude]

I know, but someone stated that CF rules... Guess not! :p

[AmiDude]

Perhaps I was a bit vague. From all my experiences, and Ive seen others mention it too you need to hijack some power from the floppy power connector to power larger drives. Id be surprised to hear that youre not doing that.

?! Never heard of that. Which others? Can you provide a link? I've got several A600/A1200's, and some of them have CF cards and others have 2.5" HD's. Now, I use 2.5" HD's from 2GB to 40GB and never had to "hijack" power from the floppy connector. The HD gets it from the 44-pins IDE interface. And I always use a A500 4.5A power-supply. No hacking/butchering is needed.

[AmiDude]

Your speed for "normal" 2.5 inch ide vs cf card speeds are contradictory to most other peoples as well, especially concerning seek times.
This isnt to say youre spinning porkies, just that its not really a black/white thing.

There's nothing contradictory about it. I've tested everything the right way, and it's a
well known fact that 2.5" HD's are faster then CF cards. There're a lot of articles about it over the internet, just google it.
Just keep sticking to your cf-card. I know better... :rtfm:

[AmiDude]

Older, smaller ide drives are somewhat slower than new CF cards. And what makes you think that Ive not also tested this stuff as well? In fact Id never used a cf cards until about a month ago so Im pretty well versed in using 2.5 inch ide drives in an a1200.
Another thing to consider is that an a1200 isnt going to get full speed anyway, so seek times become important.

Who's talking about "old" ide drives? I never mentioned that. OK, If you use an old 30mb Conner HD from 20 years ago... yeah that'll slow things down a lot.  
I'm talking about modern 2.5" 2GB> HD drives. I tested a large number of CF cards and never found one that's faster then a modern 2GB+ HD. Especially the 20GB+ drives are real fast like I stated before.

[AmiDude]

Again, it depends on your needs... I get ALL the games I want, for ~40, no need to hunt down hdds, or worry about anything else, silent, etc. For me it TOTALLY rules...  :uzi:

Great! Have fun!

[AmiDude]

@Amidude

Who's talking about older drives you ask? Well you clearly are while talking about 20 and 40gig drives.

Duh... Compared to the 30MB->500MB HD's from the early 90's, the 40GB drives are "newer" and of course also a lot faster.

Huff and puff and claim to know whatever you like, the simple fact is its not as black and white is youre trying to claim.

I can indeed claim things about CF's and 2.5" HD's because I'm into it for many years now.
And it's not black & white. It's a fact. You're clearly not an expert on the subject as you stated earlier in this thread;  

"In fact Id never used a cf cards until about a month ago so Im pretty well versed in using 2.5 inch ide drives in an a1200."

 
:roflmao: :hammer: :laughing:

[AmiDude]

fishy_fiz wrote:

Um, care to point out where I claimed to be an expert?

It was sarcasm. You're obviously not an expert.

My 32gig CF card is significantly faster than the 120gig ide drive I used some time back.... Simple fact of the matter is that a newer, decent CF card will be faster on an amiga. If youve not seen that for yourself then I can only imagine youve tried crappy CF vs decent ide cards/drives.

I can't hardly believe that. You're just talking b*sh*t. Have you proof of that?
Besides that, I've tested descent original CF's like Transcend en Sandisk, and they
all where slower then the 2.5' HD's.

Also, care to point out where I said a 20/40-ish gig drive isnt newer than an old 500-ish meg (or whatever) drive? I said nothing of the sort, you just added that in yourself, and then said "duh" about it. You do realise its not quite normal to say "duh" about something youre the only one talking about arent you? The sorts of drives you speak about are old, theyve not been made for years. Is that difficult to understand without twisting and contorting words to fit your arguement?

You're the one that was talking about "older" drives earlier in this thread. I was just explaining that there is a difference in the old 30mb> 500mb HD's, and the newer 20GB+ drives, because you talked about "older" drives, remember?! Duh!
Don't turn things around in your favor!

As I said though, keep huffing and puffing, it's no skin off my nose. Your know-it-all attitude just further embarasses you to anyone but yourself it seems.

Look whos talking! You're the one that started this "I know best" attitude.
So, stop whining about it, and get a grip on yourself!

[AmiDude]

Listen dude... I'm not take you serious anymore. Anyone can see that you're
full of b*llsh*t! You're making a complete a*s out of yourself. Speaking about  
"not the brightest spark", you meant yourself, right? Don't make me laugh!  
So, fishy_fiz, I suggest to move on. It's starting to smell a little fishy
around here...

[AmiDude]

Are you still whining about it? So, you bought a CF card and you're so happy about it that you defend it at al costs, without any proof that it's actual faster than an 2.5" HD. Childish person, get over it and go on with your pathetic life!

[AmiDude]

fishy_fish wrote:

Ive seen others mention it too you need to hijack some power from the floppy power connector to power larger drives

Who's talking crap here?! I didn't know that they let mental cases onto this forum.

And CF's seek times are not faster than that of an 2.5" HD. 2.5" HD's are faster. Period.

[AmiDude]

Some newer, larger 2.5 inch ide drives require more power than the ide cable can provide. It's not exactly rocket science, or a secret.

I never encountered such a drive. That said, I've only tested drives up to 40GB and they never needed power from the floppy drive.  

As for the suggestion that seek times are faster on an ide drive I can only respond with:


Hahahahaha
Are you a good bowler?
What's your take on the pentatonic scale? Over used?
Why would someone watch a movie with invisible actors?
Did you know Rambo took 3 years of classical Jazz?

You're all blah, blah. This proves that you're an mental case.  
You have to do your homework better, dude!

[AmiDude]

I wish you well with your illness...