Update Amiga 600

[AmiDude]

Definitely get Kickstart 3.1. The first thing I do with my Amigas is upgrade them to 3.1, or at least stick in a ROM Switcher with 1.3 and 3.1 on it, since 1.3 is the best for running some old floppy based games.

Can you explain why we need KS3.1 with the A600? KS3.1 is almost exactly the same as KS2.x. The only difference is the DataTypes, so you can view files with MultiView. But for KS2.x there are also plenty viewers for free on Aminet. For example PPShow or ViewTek (VT) and many other little viewers. Even the Icons and WorkBench layout is the same as KS2.x.
I would understand if you use KS3.1 on the A600 for running O.S.3.9, but that's to slow or not nice looking (ugly with 16 colors), even with an 030 accelerator.
So, if not using O.S.3.9 then one should stick with KS & O.S. 2.x, and then you don't even need a 1.3<->3.1 KS-switcher, because KS2.x can run the old games just fine.

[AmiDude]

I don't know why you think that Kickstart 2 can run the old games fine, many A600 owners had to use degrader disks to get 1.3 running in order for older games to work. It was the biggest problem people had with the A600 after the lack of a numeric keypad.

I've never had any problems with old games on my A600HD. Even without WHDLoad you can run old games. There are plenty degrader programs around. If the game is not NDOS,
you can copy the contents of a game disk to HD, put an assign to it and run it with a degrader program. No problem at all, and if it gives you problems, you can always use WHDLoad. No need for OS & WB3.1.

[AmiDude]

AFAIK, there's nothing in the kickstart that has anything to do with datatypes. There are all kinds of other issues when using a 2.x kickstart though. And regarding 3.9, there's no problem setting up 3.9 to be equally stripped down as 3.1 or 2.x, it just takes a little bit of effort.

I was only explaining that the only "new" feature of KS3.1 is the useless Datatypes.
And what other KS2.x  issues are you refering about?
There's indeed no problem of setting up 3.9 on an A600, but like I stated before;
it's very slow and with only 16 colors it's plain ugly. And what's the point of stripping it down? In that case, there's hardly any difference with KS & WB 2.x.

[AmiDude]

Some versions of KS2.0 doesn't have scsi.device build in and one version have buggy scsi.device, limiting hard drive size about 100mb

A600 is nice WHDLoad machine, I really don't understand why would anyone want to play with floppies.

PS. Is possible to get 68010 cpu for few euros. 010 will allow quit key with whdload

?! I didn't say anything about floppies...? I've KS 2.05 V37.350, and it recognizes my 2GB HD without any problems.
And believe me, 2GB is more then enough for a couple of hundred old games!

[AmiDude]

AmiDude, maybe you should install a 3.1 Kickstart in your A600 yourself and see what benefits it brings! I assure you, Datatypes are NOT useless, and AmigaOS3 was the most advanced consumer operating system on the market back when it was released, I'm not sure why you're so adamant about trying to stop other Amiga users from installing it for themselves when there is no risk involved at all, and only benefits to gain.

Try programming an application that needs to use images some time and you'll see exactly why OS3 and the Datatypes system is superior!

I've allready got an A600 running with KS3.1 (I've got more than one). I really see no benefit if you're running only WB apps and games. I just can't see any benfit of using datatypes. I'm using all kinds of other text and picture viewers that are doing their jobs pretty good.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to stop other Amigans from using KS & WB 3.1 on their machines, I'm just saying that it's not really necessary to install a KS3.1 ROM and a kickswitcher. That's just gonna cost you extra $$$. For that money (and a couple of $$$ more) one could get a nice ACA630 for their beloved miggy and run their apps and games all the same with KS2.x!

[AmiDude]

...and I really find hard to believe that you can find easily an 37.350 Kickstart without having to ask politely someone to burn it for you.

Keeping an old 2.x is just El'Cheapo cause Workbench 3.1 is by far superior to Workbench 2.0x. If you got an 2.1 then it's not that dramatic change but still... having Kickstart 3.1 is nice to have (especially if you intend to use an ACA accelerator despite it's awesome MapROM feature).

Hard to believe? There were standard 37.350 ROMs in 4 of 5 the A600's I bought in the past. You don't have to ask someone to burn it for you, the're not rare.
And explain why an A600 with standard 2.x ROM is " El'Cheapo"? That's a weird statement...
Like you stated yourself; "having Kickstart 3.1 is nice to have"...yeah, but it's not really necessary.

[AmiDude]

I'm with AmiDude on this one; I see no point in upgrading to Kickstart 3.1 either, unless the current Kickstart ROM is below rev. 37.350.

It might be cheap to obtain a Kickstart 3.1, but if the aim is just to play games, why bother? You would just have paid money for features that you don't need. For almost the same amount you can register WHDLoad instead; as I see it that's money better spent there.

+1
Finally someone with common sence.

[AmiDude]

The fact that we have different views on certain aspects doesn't mean that some of us lack common sense!

I got 4x A600's over the years... and all of them had Kickstart 37.299 or 37.300 that sux!
Sure if you have 37.350 then you're set for Workbench 2.x and WHDLoad (if you have some extra memory (PCMCIA, A608, MTec, Apollo, ACA etc).

If you have some accelerator though... I find it really akward not to mention silly not to invest 15 euro for the 3.1 Kickstart.

Opinions are like a$$holes though... Everybody's has one


@save2600
+1

About the "common sence" thing; That was not intended seriously. (hence the wink icon).
So, take it easy dude!

I've got at the moment 3 A600's, and each of them has standard v37.350 in them.
One A600 got an ACA630 build in and the other has a MTec630/40Mhz. They both run
W.B. 2.1. So, you think it's akward and silly not to invest in KS3.1?! Why?!
I can do with wb2.1 everything what with wb3.1 also is possible.
I think you're the one who's silly here to believe KS3.1 is so allmighty, but infact it gives you only the useless datatypes feature.
And it makes me sick to see that every time some poor new Amiga fan asks what he can do with his A600, then guys like you are shoving the poor sucker KS3.1 down the throat!
Or, even worse try to persuade people to run WB3.9 on their slow 030 systems.
What's the fun of that, huh?!
So stop terrorising people with your weird opinions!

[AmiDude]

@Amidude
No need to make accusations or take it personal.

As you can see in both of my posts I said that 37.350 is perfectly cool along with Workbench 2.1 that is indeed awesome as well.
Unless you convince me that 37.299 or 37.300 kickstarts are good to have instead of the easy solution of the 15euro Kickstart 3.1.... then I think there is nothing to talk about.

I haven't said that KS3.1 is allmighty as you said, but indeed is a lot better than 37.299/37.300 and easier to find than 37.350.

Also I'm one of the A600 enthusiasts and supporters and never suggested/tried to persuade extreme and expensive stuff to new Amiga users.

Terrorizing people with weird opinions? wtf! LOL

I haven't mentioned KS37.299 or 37.300. So, next time, read the posts more carefully.
All I'm saying is that "if" you got KS37.350 in your A600, there's no need for upgrade to 3.1. Unless you want, for some odd reason, to install W.B.3.9.

About you having a weird opinion and terrorising people:

@ mfilos wrote:

"Also I'm one of the A600 enthusiasts and supporters and never suggested/tried to persuade extreme and expensive stuff to new Amiga users.

Terrorizing people with weird opinions? wtf! LOL"

But in this very same thread you wote:

@ mfilos wrote:
"If you have some accelerator though... I find it really akward not to mention silly not to invest 15 euro for the 3.1 Kickstart."

I state my point. This IS indeed a weird opinion... LOL

[AmiDude]

...Anywayz, I guess we all said our points of view and we kinda agree that 37.350+ is the way to go on an A600 (if you wanna use Hard Drives that is, cause you might as well use a plain 1.3 Kickstart for floppy usage and be done with).

It's all of what you wanna do, and how much are you willing to spend

/sign off

That's more like it! Let people decide for themselfs. No need to shove them KS3.1 down their throats! :laughing:

[AmiDude]

the best way to expand A600 is to get or make that Russian 8Mb fast ram expansion (iirc, A608). it has best price/upgrade ratio. you can find it on amibay or similar.

Yep, that's a real nice expansion!