I`m confused! Genesi VS Amiga.Inc....the saga continues.......

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Trying work out the Amiga-Genesi situation is like an erection, the more you think about it, the harder it gets :-)

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bloodline wrote:

Unsure about what? He has made it very clear that he has no intention of stopping development, and is even perpared to reduce the licence fee that Hyperion whould have to pay for the Amiga name.

You are just spreading FUD about Bill Buck :-P

Ambigous statements about the outcome from the case, or "The Hyperion/Eyetech OS 4.0 Agreement will be declared  "null and void and of no force or effect." " ring a bell?

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@TMHG

Why is it I can't read any of your postings without the phrase "For God's sake, think for yourself" coming to mind?

Have you ever written a post which isn't regurgitated 'properganda'?

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@TMHG

Actually, my post was nothing to do with this actual thread, it's an observation I've held for some time without commenting about it.  As to insult, it wasn't an insult, but rather an observation, and one that I've toned down quite considerably.

I've yet to read anything balanced from you. Phrases like "Provided that Hyperion plays ball in a sensible way, everyone will win " compound that.  Hell, just take a look at your avatar, it's straight out of one of BBRV's "satirical" writings *cough* propaganda*cough* on WrongPla.net.

I'd be quite happy to have a good intelligent discussion, but I honestly don't think that'd happen.

Anyway, I've said it now, you'll hear no-more on the subject from me.

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bloodline wrote:

Do you think the exclusive OS4 on AmigaONE deal is actually good for anyone other than Eyetech?

You could flip that around on Genesi with regards to MOS very easily. And no I'd rather see a free market with regards to both OS and hardware, with consumers being offered the chance to choose the combination that suits them.  But I sincerely don't believe that is the motivation here, IMHO Genesi have inherited some of P5's old hang-ups.

How can extending OS4's supported platforms cause potential buyers of OS4 to be unsure?

That isn't what the statements say (what the statement says and means is 2 diffent things).

The first talks about the licence to the Operating System without specifically naming AmigaDE, that's bound to be a source for confusion.

This second mentions voiding the agreement, which again is vague, not mentioning what exact agreement.  The only agreement publically known is the Amiga/Hyperion/Eyetech agreement that was signed at the WOASE show, this agreement includes Hyperion's licence of the AmigaOS code.  So is BBRV saying that Hyperion's licence of the code is void?  See? More possible confusion.

There are definately elements of uncertainty and doubt around these statements.

I can't see anywhere in those statements where the number of platforms for OS 4 will be extended.

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@TMHG

See PM.

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cecilia wrote:

this entire situation has always given me a headache! Fighting is never good. And i'm not talking about civilized disagreements!
but all the hating and mudslinging is a giant turn-off!

I wasn't paying much attention for the last few years because I was busy with my career, but this past year I've begun to notice and i'm amazed there are any amiga users left!!!

this crap has just GOT to stop. As i said before, we need to look out for each other and stop hoping for a savior. Do you really think the head of ANY company really cares about YOU personally?

I've been saying this for years (yes literal years).  But Amiga users tend to  take any opportunity to get behind a banner and blindly follow someone or something.  The level of hatred and zelotry about is astounding.

I begged for co-operation in the beginning, and have hoped for peace all along, but it has become plain that it's all driven by egos, and no-one is (wo)man enough to admit "well actually I was wrong".  Many people tend to blame either Bill Buck or Amiga Inc. for the situation, but frankly it's something that has been going on for years, long before either entered the scene.

The only good thing about the current split is that AOS 4 is closer to what I want than MOS (yes - I've tried both before deciding, no - I don't give a flying about "the name"). I'm not sure if I'd of liked OS4 based on MOS, but then again I'd of liked the opportunity to of found out.

I know no one gives a rat's A55 about me!

Amiga.org loves you  :-)

we can only care for each other. so lets get on the ball and do the right things. if you can program, do something great for other amiga users. That's why I write those HowTo's. I will never get anything ($) for doing them, but it's the right thing to do!
isn't THAT the "Amiga way"

That's the spirit, and it's appreciated.  How about writing a "How to stop being a total plum?", there are many indivduals (of all opinions) that could really do with it. :-D

I've tried to GFX stuff for the community over the years, I've done web-design and other stuff.  My current project is a new IRC client (freeware of course).

More lines of code/information/help, than lines of bile is what's required.  Anyone want to take up the challenge?

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T_Bone wrote:
I know this is kind of offtopic, but how come it's OK for a consumer to be forced to use specific hardware, but it's tyranny when a business must do so?

There seems to be this often repeated hypocrasy from certain quarters.

Hyperion and Eyetech are evil and bad because they tie users to a certain piece of hardware, and yet please remind of all the platforms MorphOS is available for. What's that? Just Pegasos?

If you are going to complain about hardware/software tyranny, at least complain about everything, rather than who it is you have a personal problem with.

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Kronos wrote:

There is one little but important difference in here, and it's called honesty.

Ooooh I wouldn't open up that can of worms here, especially in light of recent revelations. :-o

That's a lame excuse. It doesn't even make sense. I'd expect better from you Kronos.  

Genesi have no problem admitting that they alone decide on which HW MorphOS will
run, and they don't hide the fact that they make that desicions only for their own best.

No hiding behind bizzare licences, when in reality it is all a matter of getting max. profit
with min. spending (pretty much what Roque said from a different angle).

So how does that make them any better, they're still forcing consumers to a limited hardware/software choice.  You're still lambasting Hyperion/Eyetech/Amiga for exacly the same thing that Genesi do.  Just because they act as one entity rather than seperate companies, is no reason why they should get let off. Like I said, that doesn't make sense. Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems you're grasping at straws.


Frankly Genesi as missing sales opportunities, and squandering the advantages they've had in the market (are they even still in it? it's very confusing), by ignoring Software sales.  Publishing MorphOS to weary, long-time AmigaOne users who've been waiting for OS4 for ages, would probably of been be worth their while, especially as MOS was already running on the Teron.  There's a stack of Classic PPC users waiting for a PPC OS too.  Hell, there's even the chance of Peg2 sales steming from this ("Try this, now imagine it on better hardware"). Very very dumb IMO

Likewise there's a section of people who want cheaper hardware with OS4 that Hyperion are missing out on (although, to be fair, their choice is not totally within thier control)

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T_Bone wrote:

Who said I was complaining about a specific party? It's an acrossed the board statement. I don't like being told what hardware to use, especially when the choice is severly limited.

My mistake, there has been an awful lot of what I described recently, I mistook your post for that.

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Kronos wrote:

And now try to find a single quote from me (younger than 2 years)
were I am "lambasting" the trio-infernale about that ? I have
nothing against it, only in these stupid attempts to blame Genesi
for the trio's desicion.

If that is the case, why are you defending people who do with your lame "honesty" excuses? Argument for argument's sake?

Offcourse I will shoot through the holes in their logic whenever
they bring that licence up, but I'm that last to protest if/when
Hyperion officially declare that there won't be an OS4-port due to
much work for something that will have a hard time competing
with the OS that allready came free with the HW.

Really now? That's interesting because that wasn't what has been said/insinuated so far.  This little offshoot discussion has been about people tying software to hardware through agreements, not once until now has anyone mentioned anything about competing products.  In fact the general focus of past discussions has been on Eyetech apparently overcharging people for hardware and enforcing/abusing it's "OS4 monopoly".

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Kronos wrote:

If that is the case, why are you defending people who do with your lame "honesty" excuses? Argument for argument's sake?

I'm defending noone, I'm attacking those that want to blame Genesi
for something that is purely on AInc's/Hyperion's account.

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Well, it looks I was right, argument for arguments sake, nothing to do with what was being talked about.

Then you take one sentence from the final paragraph, ignoring what I was saying as a whole, and open up another attack.

I don't expect you to agree with anything I say, but you could at least extend the courtesy of reading what I say.  I just won't bother in future.

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cecilia wrote:

Then there are no heros in Amigaland.

well, there really are a few! If I may be so bold, Kermit is one. Right there you have one person (and company, really) that has stayed in the frey, come hell and high water - and we've had plenty of that!

anyone who's ever uploaded a program on aminet is a hero. however small it may be. just look at how HUGE aminet is.

we are each other's hero's.
let's ignore the idiots. they contribute nothing.

(you are MY hero, bloodline!) :-D [/quote]

In my book anyone who gives up thier own time to do something for the greater good of the Amiga "community" (even if it's only a subset) is an AmigaHero(TM)*

AmigaHeros(TM) I salute you!

Hmmn, I feel a graphic coming on :-D

*Sadly there are those who negate this by then going off to the forums to piss over other peoples work and generally spread negativity. :-(