Next step for Amiga(like)OS?

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Piru wrote:
@amigadave

I don't think they would have a case against a new OS coded by the AOS4.x and MorphOS2.x teams either, unless both teams really screwed up and tried to copy parts of AOS4.x too closely.

No MorphOS team member have had any access to OS4 source code, ever, so it would be impossible for anyone outside the OS4 team to know if some random code is clean or not. At least I wouldn't be ready to take the risk of getting the whole project tainted by any OS4 code.

And even if it was clean, A Inc could drag the new project to court for years, just because of a possibility of such a thing. No, I wouldn't include any OS4 team members to such project.

The problem is, there is the legitmate question of whether or not Ralph Schmidt ever had access to the OS3.x code.  It is an entirely plausible scenario, whether people like it or not.

Until this question is definitively answered (and probably the only way to do that is in a court of law), then there will be a shadow over MorphOS, that Amiga Inc. could use to make a nuisance of themselves.  They only need something small to initiate a nuisance lawsuit, that could effectively kill off the project and cause its contributors no end of headaches.

It doesn't help that whenever I've seen Ralph publicly confronted with the allegation, I've not seen him deny it outright, only reply with some bull-shit about the source from OS1.x being published in some C= book or that duff German court ruling. (If anyone can point me somewhere where he has, then great - I don't claim be the definitive source on this :-))

If it does transpire that Ralph did have access, then MorphOS is just as {bleep}ed as AmigaOS 4.  Worse, it could also have bad knock-on effects for AROS.  :-(

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bloodline wrote:

A Inc going under can only be a good thing... But hey why don't we forget about tainted code and propriatory operating systems and start a community based open source AmigaOS, that the community could then "own" free of any dodgy companies, legal issues and expensive hardware... Woe, woe and thrice woe, if only such a project existed... If only something like that had been started 10 years ago... Sigh... If only...

...AROS had anything remotely resembling a direction or plan, perhaps something may of happened.

Curse those to idiots who screwed things up for wanting to actually run Amiga software on their new operating systems. (if I was feeling evil, I'd say any software)

MorphOS and AmigaOS 4 stole all the mindshare, because they had a plan for the future, and most importantly, they worked.

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@Piru

That still does not answer the question does it?

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amigadave wrote:

If AInc. had any proof they would have used it and not backed off.  

The mistake I believe you and many other people have made here is equating Amiga Inc's actions with logic.  Nothing that has happened, especially lawsuit-wise has made much sense so far.

The question still remains.  The fact that question has been dodged once again, does not inspire confidence.

Just because nothing has happened yet doesn't mean that it couldn't in the future.  I for one sincerely hope it never happens.

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bloodline wrote:

What might have happened?

Something. Anything.  People might actually be using AROS today.

Curse those to idiots who screwed things up for wanting to actually run Amiga software on their new operating systems. (if I was feeling evil, I'd say any software)

Curse those idiots for not bothering to port AROS to the hardware of their choice... and then whinging...

Being open source is not an excuse for being crap.  You can't simply try to direct blame back to the users, when there is something wrong and you don't want to do anything about it.  

You have been evangelising AROS here for 6 years now.  Clearly you want people to use it, you want the community to embrace it.  But whenever anyone explains why the community has embraced MOS and AOS4 rather than AROS, and why no-one outside the little AROS circle of friends uses it, you hide behind the APL rather than engage.

MorphOS and AmigaOS 4 stole all the mindshare, because they had a plan for the future, and most importantly, they worked.

MOS and AROS worked together... I don't get your point, except you erroneously assume that I actually care about the people who whinge that they can't run OS4... AROS is there, the source code is open and free... do with it what you will.

What does the limited co-operation between MOS Team and AROS have to do with anything?  OS4 and MOS both work, they both :-o :-o :-o run software :-o :-o :-o and they do this without the need for the user to have to code half the damn thing first.

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@bloodline

Why avoid legitimate criticisms of AROS and avoid engaging in discussion about it, in preference to making back-handed comments to people (The Simpsons, flower gardens)?

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AeroMan wrote:

Do a new system with E-UAE and everybody is happy (I hope...) :-D

If that was the case then I'm sure that AROS would be more popular than it is.  If the only need for an Amiga compatible machine is EUAE then MacOS X, Linux and Windows already fulfil that.

There needs to be a tighter integration than just having *UAE for it to really work.  If you took a look at how OS 9 compatibility was implemented you'd see that while there was a sand-boxed copy of OS9 launched in a window when it was needed, the actual software itself ran fully integrated with OS X.  It looked different, and had a different menubar at the top, but otherwise, it was another app.  There was no need to switch between OSes to use it.