MorphOS for AmigaONE

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Number of points to pick up on.

1. How comes Ben has to go to Paris to collect a board when Genesi will ship to any other developer anywhere in the world?

2. If Bill is so desperate to get AOS on board, why doesn't he just send them the fricking board and docs, rather than you guys piss and moan about "them" not accepting your offers.

3. Let's be honest here, a large part of the reason that there is no co-operation is not to do with licencing, dongles etc. It's the reason why here in July 2003 the classic Amiga scene is so bad, and that is the oversized egos of certain developers.

4. How is urguing about what's proprietry and what isn't helping the situation?

All I see here is the same people comming out with the same old crap.  Pull your heads out of your own arses for 5 seconds and see exactly what has been achieved in the last 5 years aside from olympic standard finger-pointing

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downix wrote:
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the original offer was to send it to Hyperion IIRC.  After being rebuffed, it's been reduced to either a) coming to paris or b) Ben Hermans showing up at one of the Amiga shows and bbrv handing it over in-person.

I'm sure Ben would say differently. TBH I can't be arsed to work out who's telling the truth, there should be no need.

But you are right, the major issue is that of ego.  The "My way is the right way" attitude of the Amiga community in general.

And without that ego, there wouldn't be an Amiga community at all, it is what defines us.

I'm not talking about general zelotry here, but rather those with the ability to do something (software developers, business men, hardware designers), whose egos have been and still are blocking progress.  So much has happened becuase of an individual or group, putting thier own selves pride and arrogance in front of that of technological, market and community progress.

Ultimately the community is left to kiss butt, stroke egos and fight it out amoungst themselves.

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Neko wrote:
@Whoever asked why Ben has to go to Paris:

You really think we don't want to talk to him about the project he's about to undertake, and possibly demonstrate other systems and solutions for him?

And exactly how many of the other OS developers have had to do this?  If AmigaOS 4 is "just another OS" why this special treatment? I think the answer is obvious.

He could run away and take the board to Thomas and Hans-Joerg and have it working on his own if he wanted to, but you'd really rather like to talk to the hardware designers, right?

Then why go to Paris?  BPlan are in Germany.  Surely as the hardware designers are in Germany and the AmigaOS developers in charge of the HAL/Kernal/firmware are also in Germany, then it would make sense to meet in, um Germany rather than both parties travelling to France.