AmigaONE or Pegasos, which one will it be sir?

[olegil]

Couple of facts for the idiots:

The "AmigaOne" doesn't have a soldered on CPU. The "AmigaOneG3-SE" does. I've actually played with an "AmigaOneG3-XE" that _didn't_ have a soldered on CPU (the fact that it booted Linux in Gothenburg with no effort whatsoever should be a hint as to how long it'll take before they're on sale :-D ).

I've decided I want one so badly I'm saving money for it as we speak :-P


So please, no more "soldered on CPU" talk, ok?

Oh, and Rose is mislead when it comes to the number of CPU's in the XE. It's 2, not 3. outstanding requests != number of processors. Rose, bad girl! :-)

On the other hand, a dual G4 should be plenty of juice for most applications.

Oh, and "oh for crying out loud. Is Shawn back out of the loonie bin?". God damn.

[olegil]

You are speaking about the hardware and the bios?

In what way is it difficult to plug in power, memory, harddrive and graphics card and press the power-on button?

That's ALL I had to do to test a linux-kernel on ppcboot today. Except I already had the board with graphics card, ram, hd and power connected, of course :-)

My god, what are you talking about?

[olegil]

zacman wrote:
>In what way is it difficult to plug in power, memory,
>harddrive and graphics card and press the power-
>on button?

I don't know. Let's see:

at OASE:
BIOS didn't work (RAM was not recognized, later the
CD ROM device was recognised as a HD) -> no
booting was possible

at Pianta Amiga:
Do not know the reasons: but there was no running
AmigaOne

at Oulu:
No working AmigaOne was shown (because of
some BIOS problems, which I don't know what they
were).

So please tell me what was so difficult, that there
was no working AmigaOne at the last weeks'
shows?

Finnish show:
IT HAD NO FREAKING BIOS INSTALLED, that's the problem. It was a motherboard shipped to a user, the firmware chip was shipped later. Lack of frigging chip is NOT something the end user will EVER have to worry about, no?

The XE didn't have firmware trouble, it had no working Linux.

Oh, and about the OASE:
Was the RAM on the list of supported types? I mean, how difficult is it to check that you buy memory that's supposed to work, as opposed to actively going out of your way to find memory that's NOT gonna work?

[olegil]

Considering I got one of the first ppcboot chips while in Gothenburg and had to have it replaced almost immediately, it would NOT have been very user friendly to ship the board with firmware. It was either just a board, or both board and firmware not arriving at all.

And the fact that the MAI northbridge doesn't handle all memory modules (in fact, the only thing that's more or less sure to work is registered RAM) doesn't make the firmware (stop calling it a BIOS already, that's such a negatively loaded word  ;-) ) buggy. I really don't think PPCBoot can do anything about it.  Which is why I've been trying to keep people from buying cheap memory last year for use with the board next year. Cheap memory right out the window isn't cheap.

The CDrom issue sounds like a bug, though. But it's not one I've ever heard of. I suspect it's been fixed eons ago.

Also, how do you know the CDROM was detected as a harddisk? Because it came up in the IDE unit list? It's supposed to, you know...

If only people would stop speculating everything to death (and start listening to facts) I think this would be a much better place. But oh no.

I don't give a rats ass about how much more PR Thendic are doing. I do notice, however, that they're still sponsoring the word "amigaone" at google. A computer that doesn't sell itself but has to be marketed as "mom's friendly computer company's friendly alternative to the evil AmigaOne" can't be very sellable. I remember back in May there was gonna be a TV show in Germany featuring the "AmigaOne from bPlan". Kronos was all raged up about how the show was stopped, but come on. I wouldn't have wanted to be the journalist who had to go out in public and say "oops, wrong product,  it's really the competitor we are gonna show today".

I just don't trust Thendic, for some odd reason...