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Re: Aussies and Kiwis....
« on: December 08, 2006, 12:46:34 PM »
Hi X-Ray,

I'm in Oz, and I think what has been posted here is fairly true.

The politics is dominated by a quite right wing group, though many don't support them, and I believe many more don't understand them.  The majority of Australian'sdon't vote 'for' anything anyway; they only vote 'against' things.  If the economy is fine, the government stays in power, and generally gets away with what it wants to.  Our current opposition is pretty poor.

Creepy crawlies just aren't really an issue for most people.  If you live near right near a lake, or in the bush, you may have some troubles with snakes.  For me, I see them sometimes, but never had any trouble.  If you have young kids, tell them to be careful of spiders.

As far as pay and expenses goes, get some real information before you jump in.  In Perth, the housing prices are nuts.  This is a big issue of you want to settle down.  Remote areas can offer some great pay rates (if it's resources related), but the living costs are very high too, and the lifestyle is not so good.

Right now,  think WA and Queensland are experiencing the strongest economies.  A lot of people are like living in QLD.  It has great beaches (really these can be found all around OZ though), good economy, some areas still quite affordable, and it has more ready access to more cities than one has living in the West.  Perth is a long way from other cities, and is quite small.  A lot of people like that Perth is a fairly quiet and clean.

I've never been to NZ, but everyone says it's a really beautiful country.  I know a lot of people in Perth who have come here from NZ, to work.  They usually say they each country has it's good points.  Many people like to stay in Perth because of the warm climate, and low rainfall.  NZ has fantastic mountain ranges though, and lots of people go nuts for them.  If you live on the east coast of Australia, you can also visit NZ fairly easily.

If you're bringing money from the UK, then it will probably buy more in NZ.  That might be worth thinking about.  Also, the immigration laws in Oz are really horrible (experienced this with my Chinese wife).

If possible, can you have a visit of a few places in each country, and then decide?  Maybe that's too expensive.

All teh best.

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Re: Aussies and Kiwis....
« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2006, 01:49:36 PM »
Hi X,

Of course it varies a lot with conditions, location, etc.  I'm not really in the market (it's all too much for me right now).  Have a look at some of these sites.  You can search around the real estate in Perth.  In my opinion, location is pretty important in Perth, as it is a very spread out city, and many people have to do a lot of driving to get to anywhere they want to be.  This can be a pain in a number of ways.  I like to live quite centrally in the city.  If you want specialty items, like vinyl records, european car parts, or that curry that's made just the way you like it, you won't find them in most suburbs.

If you see a place you're interested in, you could ask me about the suburb.  I may or may not have any useful information, as there are many suburbs I haven't ventured to much (if you don't live there, you may not have any reason to go to many suburbs).

Perth is still a good place to live, though.  Most people like the lifestyle, finding it quite easy going, and relaxed, and there's access to a lot of good leisure activities.  Many people who have travelled a lot, like Perth.  There are good water sports available, most of the year, fresh seafood, etc.  If you have particular hobbies (apart from Amigas), then maybe you could ask me if there is much of a scene here for them (btw, I don't know much about firearm sports).

Good luck with your search.  Hope you find a place that's right for you.

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Re: Aussies and Kiwis....
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2006, 04:18:09 AM »
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iamaboringperson wrote:...
The only odd thing is that federal elections are won by Liberal, state elections by Labor.


The thing is that if you look in the federal governments past, you'll see two governments vastly different way of running the place:

Labor()
{
  HUGE (and LONG TERM) unemployment, AND I MEAN HUGE;
  HIGHEST interest rates over a long term;
  Some of the biggest spending, esp. wasting money.
  Some of the worst and most contraversial desicions ... even contraversial within the party.
  Worst ecconomy Australia ever had.
  Produced the biggest debt ever.
  Employed many people to sit around and do NOTHING in gov. run companies in order to artificially reduce the unemployment rate ... even though the unemployment rate only went up!
}

// On the other hand...


Liberal()
{
  Cleared the debt. we're now in surplus.
  The LOWEST unemployment rate for ... well, decades..
  Interest rates are MUCH lower now.
  The ecconomy has been GROWING. Even when other countries have have shrunk.
  A much better outlook for the country
}


Well, that's a pretty simplistic view, but does sum up part of the situation of the recent history.  Your summary does have some notable ommissions though.

I also like Mebourne a lot.  I haven't been to Sydney, but I can say that Melbourne is very different from Perth, so Sydney could well be very different again.  Melbourne has a MUCH better night life than Perth (this is a sad point about Perth).

What I really don't like about Melbourne is weather, whch frankly is just cr@p compared with Perth.  Far too many dark, overcast days, and too much rain in summer.  May be good for plants, but no fun for me, getting rained on in singlet and shorts, after enjoying a 35 degree sunny morning.

I agree with Odin that remote areas can be very parchial, and certainly there's an element of xenophobia in Oz (feel like a trip to Royston Vasy, anyone?  :-P ).  However, I'm not sure that it's worse than anywhere else.  I can say for a certainty that xenophobia is leveraged for political and commercial advantage here, which I have observed to extend its prevalence throughout the community (just my observation and opinion, but a considered one).  This is one of the issues I have with wing politics and commercial media here.  Of course this is not unique to Oz in any way.  Again, I haven't been to NZ, so don't know what it's like there.

One more thing which probably should be mentioned, is the problem with small scale economies.  In Perth, you have to pay a lot more for specialty items, than in big cities, and big countries, and the accessability is much worse.  To an extent this is also true for Melbourne and Sydney, though not quite as bad.  Extrapolating from this, I guess NZ may be worse in this regard, as it has a smaller, weaker economy.  One example I can offer is of an American thermohygrometer I wanted for a project I was doing.  It was the best suited item for my purposes.  In the States, it cost around $90, and in Oz it cost close to $500 with GST.  The American supplier wouldn't ship it directly, as they had a distributer here.  So, I got a lower spec sensor, for a more reasonable price, but the project had to suffer.

I would also like to hear from some New Zealander's about this, specially anyone who's also lived in Oz.  I was considering working in NZ as well.  There seems to be a reasonable demand for electronic engineers over there.  I've just started a new job here now, but I may go in a few years.

With respect to dangerous animals, well mostly they're just 'potentially' dangerous.  I live just near a lake, and there are many insects, so there are also many spiders.  I must have several hundred in my garden.  But hey, they're in the garden, and live there quite happily.  Good for them.  It's only an issue for small children who don't yet have the sense to leave them alone.  However, a friend of mine lives 'really close' to the same lake, and he will have tiger snakes in his garden several times per year.  This is much more serious, but still manageable.  Personally, I just wouldn't live that close to a wilderness environment.  Most people in the suburbs just don't have any issues with this stuff.  I've been bitten by spiders a number of times (not the bad ones), but most of them just give me a very minor rash.  My wife, who is from China, has an uncomfortable reaction to the local mosquitos, though I hardly notice them much more than for the annoying noise they make.

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Re: Aussies and Kiwis....
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2006, 12:14:31 PM »
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Rain in summer you say? We hardly had any rain in winter, summer has only just started and we've had bugger all thus far. The water storages are running dangerously low at the moment, I wish it would rain.


Yeah, well, haven't been to Melbourne for a few years.  I know the whole not having enough water thing is a bit of a downer, but I still don't like bright sunny days that turn into rain storms within half an hour.  Perhaps my experience of Melbourne weather is not a good sample, but that's what has happened every time I've been.  Still a really good place to be, in many ways.

Actually, the weather in Perth is not so clement now either.  Gets more humid every year.  Still not much rain to speak of.  I liked it in the good old days, where winter was marked by rain storms, separated by fine days, and summer was hot and dry, with the occasional thunder storm, usually at night, and you could see it building all day.  Sometimes dry thunder storms.  Quite spectacular, and horrendous for starting fires.

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Re: Aussies and Kiwis....
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2006, 09:27:53 AM »
I have no problem with the NZ accent.  Sounds quaint.  heh. I don't really care for a strong Aussie accent though, particularly on girls.  The Aussie accent just sounds a bit too shrill when spoken with a high pitched voice.
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Re: Aussies and Kiwis....
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2006, 12:42:35 PM »
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Hi dude,

Just wanted to ask you: what's your experience been of going to Canada from Aus/NZ?  The reason I'm asking is because my wife and I are also priced out of the job market in Perth.  Do you know if there's much call for electronic engineers in Canada?  I'm only a graduate now, but I may like to move in a couple of years, when I have some experience.

@X-Ray: So, which looks more appealing to you so far?  Are there any other pertinent facts you've found out about the two countries which haven't been mentioned here yet?
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