I have tried all kinds of different ways of setting it up. I have had it running with all the updates and mediator running, then i changed something and it all went wrong. I cant even remember how i got to that point. I forgot how much of a pain in the ass these machines can be to setup. The original guide i had was on my computer and i had a printed copy which i had in my hands just after xmas grrrr. Spending 140 hours on it googling and setting up and not getting very far. I wanted 3.9+ updates and a nice WHDload setup running either through the TV card or the voodoo. Maybe some other nice unique apps aswell. But it aint gonna happen.