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Can't understand...
« on: September 03, 2005, 02:32:29 AM »
Howdy!

Just can't understand :-? ... without catweasel no one can use pc floppy to write amiga disk... uhn... and the only explanation is controller - sorry but until I understand for me is n*sense. Why? Well - unless phisically the drive can't write, we can overide the pc controller as example:
Old x86 fdd and ide isa controllers,
Recent usb fdd drives,
By software like hd-copy that control dma and buffer
etc...
Never heard about using a pc floppy to replace a amiga one?
You can even format a disk in ms-dos with format a: /t:80 /n:11 to get 880K!
So please if i'm wrong i would like to know. And don't forget that catweasel is a controller too!

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Re: Can't understand...
« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2005, 02:44:43 AM »
Thank you for so fast response!
But CrossDos is for Amiga. I know that amiga can read ms-dos 720k or if you lucky HD ones. So pc should be able to do the same by software - i think...
Cya
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Re: Can't understand...
« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2005, 03:30:27 AM »
So bypass the controller and it's possible... uhn do you know any homebuilt fdd controller for x86? I believe that it could be easy to advance in this matter - catweasel example :) Anyway the old post give me new info about the way that IBM and commodore writes the same 880k - behind the smaller sector gaps, amiga can write an entire track at once. Have you heard about fdutils? I still believe (but have to read) that it could be done only by software. Thank you!
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Re: Can't understand...
« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2005, 12:04:40 PM »
So x86 use hardware and amiga software to R/W data. True - there are progs that use software to comunicate by floppy led. I will learn more about pc controllers, and if hardware is the soluction - thats the way to go! If catweasel works (and note that schematics looks more complicated because other board features) i believe that a low-level hard/soft interface could be done. Anyone with deep electronics know-how feel free to contact me ehe. Thank you guys for your replys!
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Re: Can't understand...
« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2005, 06:06:27 PM »
Oh no - it was just an example that confirms that could be done - just a point. About catweasel i don't have schematics but everyone could get them - better - draw them - the problem are the IC's assembly or anything they use to code :) and this is illegall of course but could be done maybe with some reverse. Don't care.
I've been checking and found some usefull info like Amigablog and maybe don't have to do anything from scratch. I will check too the olegil project and I leave here a appeal (sorry my english) to all folks that can contribute to do so. Things like this are keeping REAL amiga alive and I don't want to surrender to some emulator and buy things that should already be public domain from cl04nto. This is becoming a long post... cya :)
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Re: Can't understand...
« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2005, 10:49:10 PM »
Err two small questions - I searched amigaworld.net and I found the olegil project... better - the poll about if that project deserves to go ahead or not - nothing more nothing less so:
1- Is the project really running?
2- There's any url for it?

Can't find any more info
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Re: Can't understand...
« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2005, 01:40:54 PM »
??

As matter of fact I think this is not a new topic - and as I see there are LOTS of threads with persons looking for a way to write amiga floppy on pc. So why create new threads? For amiga.org ego about number of threads? Don't think so... If people could acess all answers about a subject or related one in just one topic isn't better than reading tons of threads? That's why about 2 or 3 days the same question is posted because most of people don't want to browse hundreds of post and replys. Don't get me wrong - i really agree that topic must be descriptive.
I was expecting some kind of answer but not this one lol - no problem... all fine.
And at least I understand why donald duck was censured (just a joke) :)
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Re: Can't understand...
« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2005, 07:47:18 PM »
@Zac67
So paula do the I/O job and Agnus (Blitter)do the MFM with software?. The asynchrone amiga floppy manner is due Blits? Or the Paula emulation is the key? Sorry about questions :)
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Re: Can't understand...
« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2005, 06:11:07 PM »
Looks like we need all amiga IC to floppy work - lol. By the way - There's a really nice aproach to the job here - amiga floppy blog. Thanks for your replys!
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