Pegasos to go on sale Monday / Pegasos II to ship September 2003

[anarchic_teapot]

Pegasos boards won't be available to any customers until September and this is supposed to be a good thing?(/quote]
I dont think their doing any worse off then the competition...

The competition? There are already G4XEs out there.
I'm sure the G3 Pegasos 1 is a nice little beast, but in the end it's turned out to be no more upgradeable than the A1g3SE (also a nice little beast). It would have been more honest not to publicise a  upgrade for 200 euros before finding out the thing wasn't upgradeable.

[anarchic_teapot]

the Articia is a disaster.
But I agree proofs should be given for those who don't believe this.

OK, for your proofs you'd better start with me, Ole-Egil and all the others that have been using Articia S on an A1 for the last 10 months.

Know what such a stupid (and untrue) statement says to me? It says "somebody's been such an asshole  - giving out biased half-truths and insulting public statements - with MAI that it's a good bet MAI don't want to deal with them anymore, and now it's fox-and-grapes time"

I wonder how close to the truth this is. I suppose the best indication will be the number of screams of anger this post produces.

[anarchic_teapot]

Wait. Are you telling me that you had ten months the
machine and did not find the first bugs which then
later need to be fixed in the A1 SE and neither found
the bugs that have been fixed in the new Articia S
revision? Is that what you*re telling? 10 months?
Wow.

No. The first bugs were so arcane (ie did not affect the use of the mobo as an ordinary desktop 'puter) that we didn't notice them in all of 5 months' use. Gerard Carda did, bully for him (no, seriously, he did a good job).
As for the new revision - which comprises the fixes for the bugs in question (2 of them) - I would be interested to learn in what way it is buggy, especially as only A1XE owners have one at present.

As for the "other bugs" - so noisily trumpeted as being fixed [1], yet MAI,  who readily accepted the other 2, claim to be unable to reproduce and therefore dispute their existence - are they really a problem with the Articia S, or a problem with the design of the Pegasos (or its firmware)?

I'm still waiting for proof, not innuendo, FUD, or any other form of denigration, of the Articia S being a disaster, bearing in mind I use the damn thing on a daily basis and find it works rather well. As do quite a few other people, BTW.

[1] though if the wonderful April chip does fix these problems, why can't the Pegasos 1 use a G4 as originally promised ? Of course, this may have nothing to do with the hardware, but then the obvious reason would then be that Genesi can't afford to pay for the chips, having spent all its money in marketing. Not a good sign either.

[anarchic_teapot]

How? eyetech is not any bigger actor on the PPCmotherboardscene than Genesi

Actually, as far as MAI is concerned, that's not true : Eyetech is their distributor for Europe for the Teron Linux boards, and worldwide for the AmigaOne.
However, knowing Alan, I doubt he bothered to lean on MAI: BB is apparently quite capable of screwing up a business relationship by himself, without outside help.

[anarchic_teapot]

So you don't remember that MAI denied the first bug  too? Only after a long period of time they said that they can reproduce it and also only because Mr Carda was in Fremont, CA for two weeks...

I don't recall any denial. I do recall Mr Carda going out there and installing MOS on a Teron so that everyone could find out where the problem was. (That was what gave rise to "MOS runs on A1" from certain quarters afterwards, neatly sidestepping the different-firmware issues, BTW).
For the remaining "bugs" the response has been "We've tried this, but we can't reproduce the alleged bug".

The Pegasos is not a Teron board, it is quite possible that problems might arise that in fact have little or nothing to do with the Articia itself, just as it's possible that problems might exist on the Teron board that wouldn't on the Pegasos. No matter how good the engineers, perfection is well-nigh unattainable. However, when a company - in whose interest it is to have as good a product as possible - spends time looking for supposed bugs, cannot reproduce them (I gather this time Mr Carda didn't bother flying out ?), many people will reasonably wonder if the problem is in fact with the mobo or firmware, rather than inherent in the chip itself.

However, all that aside, I find it frankly hilarious that Genesi are continuing to purchase Articia chips that still contain the old bugs - found back in Nov 2002 - rather than the new, bug-free chips that are currently going out on the new A1 boards.

As for the "real speed" of a G4 CPU, let's see some laboratory-condition benchmarks instead of blithe assertions.

[anarchic_teapot]

Also, as noted in the list, those owners of a Peg I can upgrade to a G4, by trading in their Peg I for a Peg II and paying the $200 for the G4 card (which was the original price anyways).

No they can't, because as of now the Pegasos II does not exist. If ever it does - this is computer land and AFAIK the Peg2 isn't even in betatest (if it were, this would have been trumpeted in the usual way) - it won't be for another 7 months by the most optimistic estimate.