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Re: AmigaOS petition update
« on: July 19, 2002, 11:13:25 PM »
Seehund spouted blithely:
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Hardware companies don't want to limit their hardware and become licensees of a tiny software/licensing company.

In what way is the Amiga-enabling ROM a limitation on the hardware?
Unless you can successfully answer this question with only hard facts and logical reasoning, you are going to be written off as an Idiot by many who up to now merely considered you a bit thoughtless.

Remember, you are speaking to someone currently running Linux on the AmigaOne with the ROM already in place.

Limited hardware, my backside cache.
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Re: AmigaOS petition update
« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2002, 12:49:08 AM »
Seehund, bidding for the Tim Rue Award, wrote:
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Hardware X, but in its licensed (per)version: This has to be sold bundled with AmigaOS after having been modified in "any way which the vendor chooses" (to paraphrase Ben Hermans attempt at "clarification") and after the vendor has become an Amiga Inc. licensee. Of course this also has to be more expensive than the same hardware in its normal shape, due to the licensing process and the following limited market size.

You're doing it again. You assume that if the hardware has an Amiga ROM it can only be sold to Amiga users. Apparently you also seem to think that the licensing process also increases the price of the board by a significant amount. I wonder how much

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Which board is limited in the eyes of the consumer who doesn't give a crap about AmigaOS?

BEEEEPPPP! Stop right there. Who mentioned the consumer? You stated that the material was limited, not that it might be perceived as limited. Incidentally, it will only be perceived as limited if the potential purchaser can't run the software he wants on it. This has nothing to do with the OS bundled with the board. Especially at the price of the damn OS. We're not talking Microsoft pricing here, you know.


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Are you saying that an abolishment of the compulsory dongling/bundling/licensing idea would be any more limiting?

WTF did you get that from? You're the one that wants the - pretty minor - copy protection scheme abolished. Abolition of any form of copy protection would lead to two things: widespread casual software theft, through recopying, and vast amounts of bad publicity for Amiga because people are trying and failing to run the OS on hardware it was never designed to run on, be it of very poor quality or quite simply never made available for testing by the OS development team.

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Unless you can successfully answer this question with only hard facts and logical reasoning, you are going to bewritten off as an Idiot by many who up to now merely considered you a bit thoughtless.

That's alright, you should be used to insulting me by now... ;)

It can only be an insult if it's not true.

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Remember, you are speaking to someone currently running Linux on the AmigaOne with the ROM already in place.

Oh really!? Well, I have a black bicycle with red stripes!! So what?

Ah, please make note of this, Nurse: "Refuses to understand statements which refute his own beliefs".
Alright, in words of as few syllables as possible: HOW CAN THE HARDWARE BE LIMITED IF YOU CAN RUN MORE THAN ONE OS ON IT?

Incidentally, when are you going to set up the same petition for MorphOS? So far it looks as if it will 'only' run on PPC accelerator cards and the one motherboard designed specifically to run that OS (I deduce this from the screenshots showing the words 'Pegasos BIOS extensions' in the OF screenshots from that recent demo.

Or are you prepared to concede them the right to protect their work: the same right you won't grant to Amiga/Eyetech/Hyperion?  

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Re: AmigaOS petition update
« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2002, 02:57:47 AM »
Seehund thinks this isn't ad hominem
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Being buddy with Alan Redhouse could maybe be overlooked when assessing your credibility in this particular issue, but throwing insults and ad hominem attacks over something that doesn't even concern your person removes any shred of credibility that could have remained.

I'm sorry, but until such time as you actually answer the questions you're asked, stop trying to infer people have said things they haven't, and show some proof of logical thought, I shall continue to consider you an idiot.

Thank you for the patronising attack. It is not to your credit.
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