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Re: Is this thread for real? (AInc has <$100)
« on: September 09, 2003, 11:44:05 AM »
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hmm, this ann.lu link appeared on one of the Amithlon mailing lists.  Bill fled court, is not healthy,  etc.
Tig and gary_c are posting to it, and I have always respected their opinions.

AInc. not well :-?

Note that, one has to factor in another entity i.e. “AMIGA Development LLC” (from AmigaOS 4.0 screen shots)…

I don’t think Genesi can sue "AMIGA Development LLC" since there’s no valid contract between them. PS; I assume “AMIGA Development LLC” and “Amiga Inc” are separate legal entities.

Genesi could be just wasting its time and money on a 'holographic' legal entity.
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Re: Is this thread for real? (AInc has <$100)
« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2003, 12:01:38 AM »
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Lando wrote:
Amiga Development LLC is a wholly owned subsidiary.  Amiga Inc goes down, it all goes.

Do you have proof that “Amiga Development LLC”’s shares/capital/controling interest are own by Amiga Inc?

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How many Commodore or Escom subsidiaries do you know that are still operating?

Depends on the entity structure.  To classify a limited liability entity as subsidiary it’s shares/capital/controlling interest must be own by “Amiga Inc” entity, not by another person (e.g. BillMc).    

The mother entity (think of a central node) shouldn’t be the one that accumulate large liabilities/riskily contracts.  

One can form parallel limited entities e.g.
1st limited entity for employing people (kind’a like labour hire company). (Any employee related liabilities is limited to this entity).
2nd limited entity for trading (any trading related liabilities is limited to this entity e.g. doing contracts deals).
3rd limited entity for critical assets holding entity (e.g. holds critical non-current assets).

All three entities are control by 4th entity (usually a natural person), which is shielded by limited status by these 3 limited liabilities entities.  These parallel entities must not intermingle in relation ownership/shares. A careful manipulation of limited entities can offer some protection against Commodore/Escom style bust.  

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Re: Is this thread for real? (AInc has <$100)
« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2003, 12:11:04 AM »
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B00tDisk wrote:
My prediction about this mess?

Gensei, -sai, -si, whatever it is goes back to the judge in six months, asks for an injunction against Amiga, Inc because their DE integration isn't done yet,

Injunction usually occurs within a limited entity.

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puts a freeze on any further products and ####cans OS4.  Of course they can't stop use of the linux boards, but they can just not order any more.

It wouldn’t stop Eyetech from ordering more A1 motherboards since Eyetech is a separated entity in relation to “Amiga Inc”.

"The Amiga and the Amiga logo is trademark of Amiga Development LLC" - AmigaOS 4.0 screen shots.

Ben Herman's confidence that the development of AmigaOS4.x will continue (even with the demise of "Amiga Inc") could give us some hints on the undisclosed entity structure.

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The last OS for the Amiga is 4, and it only runs on old hardware.

Could you disclose the relationship structure of “Amiga Deveopment LLC” and “Amiga Inc”?
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Re: Is this thread for real? (AInc has <$100)
« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2003, 08:05:40 AM »
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From the trademark Amiga in the USPTO, I got an address for them.  Might want to write and ask:

Amiga Development LLC
600 North Derby Lane North
Sioux City SOUTH DAKOTA 57049

Thanks... It seems that the address supplied is near Gateway's home city (recalling)...
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Re: Is this thread for real? (AInc has <$100)
« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2003, 08:10:35 AM »
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Lando wrote:
Amiga Development LLC is a wholly owned subsidiary.  Amiga Inc goes down, it all goes.

Do you have proof that “Amiga Development LLC”’s shares/capital/controling interest are own by Amiga Inc?


Amiga Development LLC is a wholly owned subsidiary of GATEWAY gentlemen.  Its the company formed by gateway in 1997 or 1998 to handle the patents old and new related to amiga.   Amiga Inc does not in any way own Amiga Development LLC, but you dont need to believe me, google it if you dont trust me.  
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Thanks for information. But I have already suspected that Amiga Development LLC is a Gateway subsidiary and I only that need some solid information…
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Re: Is this thread for real? (AInc has <$100)
« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2003, 08:16:25 AM »
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dammy wrote:
by Tigger on 2003/9/9 23:36:03

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Amiga Development LLC is a wholly owned subsidiary of GATEWAY gentlemen. Its the company formed by gateway in 1997 or 1998 to handle the patents old and new related to amiga. Amiga Inc does not in any way own Amiga Development LLC, but you dont need to believe me, google it if you dont trust me.


Since it's being reported OS4 has Amiga LLC on one of it's screens,  that must mean Amiga Inc never bought the IP from Gateway, just the trademark and hardware and just licensed the rest of it.  Pretty pathetic.  

Dammy

Note that, the "AMIGA and Amiga Logo is a registered trademark of Amiga Development LLC". It seems that both Amiga Inc and Hyperion have a licence of this 'Amiga' name…

The crash and burn of “Amiga Inc” doesn’t change the status of the AMIGA and Amiga logo since they are owned by “AMIGA Development LLC”.
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Re: Is this thread for real? (AInc has <$100)
« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2003, 08:19:46 AM »
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Spidey wrote:
@Tigger and Greenboy

Wasn't this all discussed in one of Ben Hermans interviews or so?
I still remember something about 'If Amgia Inc. goes bankrupt, will Hyperion go on producing OS4?".
The answer was "Yes", because Hyperion then have the rights of OS4.


Spidey,

It has been discussed alot, Bens position basically breaks down to 2 points.

1) He believes that he has a written a bankruptcy proof contract with AI.

What happens IF the said contract was also linked with “AMIGA Development LLC”?
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