Coldfire - Binary Compatible

[Hammer]

x86s will stay on the desktop,

Laptop PC's dominance is assimilating some embedded type usage e.g. HD-DVD/Blu-Ray/TV portable players,

Btw, Toshiba's HD-A1 HD-DVD player uses Intel's Pentium IV.

simply because if you wish to use an embbedded PC, it is cheaper to buy a common mobo and use it, like ATMs and arcades do.

X86 (Lintel(e.g. LAMP*), Wintel(e.g. WAMP**)) also dominates the 1-way/2-way/4-way server market.

*Linux, Apache, MySQL, Php.
**Windows, Apache, MySQL, Php.

and we will have faster PPCs due to the supercomputer guys (check IBM, for example...)

The reason why BlueGene is *fast* is due to the number of cores involved.

Anyway, in Nov 2007 top 10 supercomputer list
http://www.top500.org/lists/2007/11#top10
1. IBM POWER based.
2. IBM POWER based.
3. Intel Xeon (Core 2) X64 based.
4. Intel Xeon (Core 2) X64 based.
5. Intel Xeon (Core 2) X64 based.
6. AMD Opteron(K8) X64 based.
7. AMD Opteron(K8) X64 based.
8. IBM POWER based.
9. AMD Opteron(K8) X64 based.
10. IBM POWER based.

As you can see, there’s a mix of X86(X64) and POWER based supercomputers.

Cells will go embbeded also,

Toshiba's CELL based SpurEngine doesn't have PPE core. The Toshiba's SpurEngine (as in the demo) uses Intel's Core 2 as it's host CPU instead of PPE.

It’s possible to built a CELL based system, with X86(X64)+SPUs+NV GPU (e.g. Toshiba'a 17" demo laptop) instead of PPE+SPUs+NV GPU(e.g. PS3).
 

[Hammer]

Again, I think you misunderstood me. What I mean is that CELLs will be in available microcontrollers soon, as PPCs are today.

CELLs based products such as Toshiba's SpurEngine (10W to 20W part) doesn't have PPE (aka POWER Processing Element).  

For a RISC ISA, POWER ISA is considered as complex-RISC.
In terms of yearly sales numbers, ARM and MIPS kills POWER/PowerPC.

 I bet your car has at least one PPC.

I'll bet it doesn't have a PPC in its critical computing systems.

"Toyota Prius, is using MULTI® IDE and C/C++ compiler on a NEC V850 processor to develop the powertrain, drivetrain, power steering, anti-lock brakes, air bags, body control, and electric motor control system on the Prius."
http://www.ghs.com/customers/prius.html

Same NEC V850 also in used in Toyota Avalon.

More info on NEC V850
http://www.am.necel.com/news/newsdetail.html?page=ghv850vr

Btw, Ford Jaguar and Lincoln LS uses Freescale Power Architecture MPC509 microprocessor for it's critical computing systems. I haven’t brought any Fords…

Anyway...
Toshiba HD-A1 HD-DVD uses
CPU: Intel Pentium 4-M (@ 2.4GHz)

Toshiba HD-A2 HD-DVD uses
CPU: Intel Celeron-M (@ 900MHz CPU for HDi) / NEC EMMA3 (CPU for video/audio decoding)

Toshiba HD-A20 HD-DVD uses
CPU: Intel Celeron-M (@ 900MHz CPU for HDi) / NEC EMMA3 (CPU for video/audio processing)

3rd generation HD-A3 players uses NEC MIPS based prcoessor.

[Hammer]

Donar wrote:

bloodline wrote:

Apple now take the best technologies available, and package it in pretty user friendly boxes. That is what the Amiga was all about..

But in the end a MacPro is just a dual processor Workstation with EFI instead of a BIOS, which you could also get from Boxxtech. I would have found it interesting if they had (for example) included a Cell or DSP that could assist the XEON's for special purposes.

Install Linux on it and install either NV's CUDA or ATI's CTM.

What's special about CELL?

[Hammer]

AeroMan wrote:

Hammer wrote:
CELLs based products such as Toshiba's SpurEngine (10W to 20W part) doesn't have PPE

This still doesn't mean that nobody will ever have interest in producing a chip with the PPE

I'll bet it doesn't have a PPC in its critical computing systems.

Delphi, Marelli and Bosch uses PPCs in engine control modules. This is quite critical to me.
The V850 is a great chip, and it was well chosen to power Toyota's cars. Some people are driving Renesas, some ST, and I even had a experience with TI some years ago (not a really good one. We went back to Motorola, but the chip was nice).
Nobody, as far as I know, is using x86, for a couple of reasons. Unless Toshiba decides to install wheels in their HD-DVDs

One may say Toshiba has installed wheels in their HD-DVDs.

Refer to http://news.thomasnet.com/companystory/525623

Toshiba Selects ARM Cortex-M3 Processor for Automotive Applications.

As for X86 for control CPU... Refer to
Underwater Vehicle Control software

"The Underwater Vehicle Control software is incorporated. into the MissionP software, which runs on a low-power X86. CPU"