amigaone cpu ??

[Hammer]

I run my Amiga software now with a PPC G3 at 600MHz. Yes, it's a Pegasos. The whole setup cost me less than a modern middle-end PC -

“Define middle end PC”...

A $299 USD (~$550 AUD) Pegy package** (via Phoenix membership (I recall))  would easily get you an Athlon XP 2600+ and Leadtek nForce 2.

The same $299 USD (~$550 AUD) would easily get you an Intel Pentium 4@ 2.4Ghz (~$350 AUD) and ASUS P4S333-C DDR (~$145 AUD). Intel is not the only CPU and chipset vendor in the  X86 market.

Cheaper prices (while roughly holding performance levels) can be obtained via the use of SIS based chipsets and AMD processors.

**Assuming it's just a motherboard and CPU package.

When given similar keyboard, mouse, ATX case, FDD, HDD, CD-R(W)/DVD-R(W), Video card and sound card; they should be similar for both platforms.  

Who the hell needs x86?

Playing 2003 era leisure titles…

[Hammer]

It takes 10 seconds to boot. IBrowse loads in a flash - literally. I can go from being powered off to browsing Amiga.org in less than 13 seconds

One could do same thing on Windows 3.11** and Opera on Pentium 4 2.0Ghz (PC2100 DDR SDRAM/7200RPM HD) box.  

**Windows 98 Lite (minus IE shell and useless other things) could be use.

[Hammer]

dammy wrote:
Funny, it wasn't too messy for Amithlon.

Some people may not like the saga that surrounds Amithlon…

 If and when someone adds in seamless emulation into AROS, I think you would be greatly suprised on how fast it still can be for the end user.

That would be nice...

  Although I'm not too sure why plain old UAE isn't good enough to begin with for any OS.

It’s not a stand-alone solution.    

[Hammer]

A middle-end PC: about the spec you'd get for 1000 UKP. My (over-extravagant) Pegasos setup cost me £700, all in (minus monitor).

What kind of CPU and motherboard does this 1000 UKP PC includes?  

$2500 AUD  would get you near top end X86 PC(white box)... At that price one could kit-bash dual AMD Athlon MP box.

Note that Aussie dollar is pretty weak against US dollar, and it's weaker against British Pound.

it's obsolete far too fast. You'd be lucky to play the new games at the time,

GPU and RAM is the key to run games such as UT2003/Unreal2. When running an Athlon based system, nForce II is the recommended chipset.

An Athlon 1800+/nForce2/Geforce4 TI/512MB PC2700 RAMs (example of year 2002 system) is more than enough to run UT2003.

This kind of system wouldn't break $1500 AUD at last year prices.

never mind in six months. Old PCs are useful for Linux and for office stuff, not for games. I've been through this twice before and have two PCs that will either not work at all with modern games or will struggle badly. I have to daily watch XP utterly crawl on a 1.3GHz Athlon with a "measly" 128MB.

I have an old test machine with a similar processor i.e. Athlon Model 4 @1.333Ghz (266Mhz FSB), but with 512MB of PC133 SDRAM (MSI-6330 V5 motherboard).  This particular XP Pro setup doesn't crawl.

Have you run bootvis utilities?
Have you installed the latest VIA 4in1(Hyperion 4.46) chipset and drivers? (IF you are using VIA based chipset).
 
Just having 128MB of RAM will cripple XP’s performance. WinXP is model on at least 256MB RAM.  With ATI Radeon 9700 (test card) on test system, it was able to play the latest games without too much of a problem (even down to ~800Mhz Athlon(unlock)).

PS; I may decide to keep this card (via buying it). It’s by-by Geforce 4 TI VIVO i.e. which currently being use on my personal system.

MS Windows Server 2003 (out of the box) is alot faster than XP (out of the box).  

Direct X 7 class GPU** doesn’t cut it in regards to running games such UT2003/Unreal2. **Tested with Geforce 2 MX/400, includes overclocking. This is not an option. It must be the Direct X 8.0 class card to run games like Unreal2 at reasonable speeds.

Of which there are none on the Amiga,

Not yet...

[Hammer]

And just how long did it take to get through the POST test and the rest of the BIOS chuff that goes on, and then to boot DOS 6 up and all it's memory drivers and so forth? I'd guess another 30 seconds at least.

Just get Windows 3.11 installation, which fits in a single floppy and install on the hard disk.

[Hammer]

DethKnight wrote:
remember the A.C.E consortium

also frontside bus increases are nowhere near as useful on G4/G3 as they are on 970 (according to deep document delving/reading at arstechnica.com)

G4/G3’s interface to the outside world is not aware of DDR type technologies….

133Mhz/166Mhz x 64bit (PPC’s FSB) can’t maximize the use of 266Mhz (effective) x 64 bit Memory bandwidth (PC2100).  

IF one could multiply unlock the G3 processor and over clock FSB’s to 200Mhz, one could effectively use some of PC2100’s bandwidth.

[Hammer]

Have you looked at the Opteron yet?

What about it?

A dual Opteron 1.4GHz vs a single 800 Mhz G4 A1(Debian Linux) Comparing a 64bit system to 32bit system???

The problem with X86 market there’s always a price point for delivering a solution.

One may have to wait for SIS, VIA and nVidia based solutions. I don’t have faith on Newsys in regards to making the market as a commodity. (What do you expect from ex-IBM engineers).

Lets see Newsys survives the Taiwanese/nVidia assault…  

Trouble is, Debian doesn't have an x86-64 branch ready yet...

What about Debian Linux X86-32, SuSE AMD64, Windows 2003 Server X86-32 (includes PSE 36bit support)?

Building an Opteron system from pricewatch.com
(in USD).
CPU: $ 299  Opteron @ 1.4Ghz (OEM).
Motherboard: $ 525, MSI K8DMaster-F (AMD built chipset).
Total:  $824 USD OR ~$1,276.02 AUD.

(I'll find cheap K8 Taiwanese brand later )

Do you know a pricewatch like website for PPC?

From http://www.vesalia.de/?V02b0f1553554e12795d59545208514e01101f0954414752050140090a1e31115479633a223c6373744e03263f2a2a7661053964606222687c2e3475551a71297b0d6e5a45500b6e4

G4 7451@800MHz AmigaOne-XE (includes AOS4(when it's completed), Debian Linux).
Total: $937.27 USD

I'll look for better G4 7451@800MHz AmigaOne-XE. package.

I wonder IF Amiga.org can host pricewatch.com like website for PPC market.

From http://www.eyetech.co.uk/search.php?SearchStr=&SearchCat=AMA1
(Any shopping features like Dell.com (sigh))
Total:
500 UKP(minus VAT) for AmigaOne-XE m/b w/ G4 7451@800MHz cpu.
Via http://www.xe.com/ucc/convert.cgi

Total:
$803.408 USD (with no VAT) OR $1,243.99 AUD
$944.062 USD (with VAT) OR $1,461.87 AUD

Once SIS, VIA( and nVidia enters the Opteron market those AMD K8 chipsets would be expensive by comparison. Aggressive competition should lower down the prices.