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Re: WTB: Amiga 2000 486 Bridgeboard
« on: October 29, 2010, 11:27:16 AM »
Quote from: spirantho;587844
I have two 486-ish bridgeboards - they're not that rare really. Well, actually, I have three, but one doesn't work, and that is rare, which is really annoying (it's an A2386SX modified to have a 486SLC33 onboard instead of a 80386SX).

If you're going to use a bridgeboard in an A2000, you may need to look at soldering the 16-bit parts of the ISA slots in. It's easy, but time-consuming (I did it on one of mine). If you don't, you'll be limited to an 8-bit soundcard like a Soundblaster II, and an 8-bit anything-else card (ethernet, IDE etc.).

I have an A2386SX which is upgraded with a 486SLC2-50 (8MB RAM onboard), Trident 256K SVGA card, Soundblaster AWE 64 and a no-name IDE/Floppy card, with a small hard disk attached. That's my Amiga in the living room, it's in a standard A2000 KS1.3 with a GVP SCSI card.

In my other room, I have another A2000, this time with OS3.9, an Apollo 2030@50MHz, 32MB RAM, Picasso II, Ariadne card, Catweasel MkII... and also a GoldenGate 486SLC which is powered by a Cyrix 80486SLC @ 25MHz. This has 8MB onboard at the moment. Graphics card is a 1MB Thunderbolt ISA (Cirrus Logic CL5422 I think), Soundblaster II (8-bit), 3-Com 3c509 (8-bit).

The Goldengate is the better integrated of the two, it uses Amiga floppy drives and Amiga partitions much better. In fact mine uses a 4GB SSD off the Catweasel (which has a Buddha built in). It's also better integrated with serial ports, parallel ports, the mouse, etc., and has a Monitor Master automatic switcher.

The reason I've posted all that stuff, isn't to gloat. :) (well maybe a little ;) ). But if it's of any help I can tell you how certain pieces of software runs on them. The thing to remember is that the 486SLC chips are not true 486-class chips, they're turbo-386s. They have a 16-bit databus, not 32-bit. Also remember the graphics cards are running on an 8MHz (or 10MHz if you want on the GG) ISA bus. Not fast.

As for how rare true 486/586 bridgeboards are - they don't exist. The closest was an SBC released (possibly) by Blittersoft, I think, but they were just SBCs. Much less cool. :)

That's really an interesting post!

I am fond of PC-Task 4.4, which i now use on ly desktop 1200 with 1260@50 MHz. The emulation is quite good, with games like Conquest of the Longbow, Dune, Prince of Persia, Monkey Island, Wolfenstein, running perfect. Of course i am limited to BC bipper as there is no soundblaster emulation. Alone in the Dark though is terrificly slow and unplayable.

I also own all the Commodore bridgeboards, and will be using the 386sx whenever i revamp my A2000.

I would be very interested in seeing some benchmarks from your different setups. Maybe you could download the DOS tool called MIPS and give us a screenshot of the result, to compare with PCTask, so everyone knows what to expect. I will post screenshot of MIPS on my setup this evening. Please tell us also what you get with the games listed above, especially Alone in the Dark.

About the 386sx, i think there are enough 16 bits ISA slots in the A2000 to get a 16 bits VGA and a SB16. Running emulation from a hardfile is not bad with SFS, instead of a dedicated hard-drive.
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Re: WTB: Amiga 2000 486 Bridgeboard
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2010, 03:57:57 PM »
Well, guys, most of you seem to have forgotten that we are here because we ENJOY configuring old stuff.
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Re: WTB: Amiga 2000 486 Bridgeboard
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2010, 04:00:05 PM »
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I never outgrew it. :)

Of course you can buy a cheap PC, but where's the fun in that? :) There are loads of reasons for using a real PC over an expensive, slow bridgeboard.... but nothing is quite as funky as having your Amiga switch over to a DOS machine for a bit and then back again whenever you want.

Incidentally, there's two slots in the A2000 motherboard which are 16-bit, that's true... but the bridgeboard uses one of them! Hence only one left, which I very strongly recommend you use for as fast an SVGA card as you can get.

I did actually try Alone in the Dark on my bridgeboards. The vanilla 386SX ran it rather slowly, the GG ran it well and the 386SX after upgrading to 50MHz 486SLC ran it very well, a definite improvement.

It's true, for most people, using a bridgeboard is daft... but for people like myself it's still fun to tinker with, so I do. :) Which, after all, is the reason many of us still use Amigas at all.


Can you tell what is needed to upgrade the 386sx? Some kind of old overdrive CPU maybe?
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Re: WTB: Amiga 2000 486 Bridgeboard
« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2010, 10:42:00 AM »
I have a more advanced version of MIPS (1.20) that i believe is the latest.

Here are screenshots from my A1200/AGA/Blizz1260@50MHz with PC-Task 4.4 Dynamic and Interpretative modes.

http://www.dropbox.com/gallery/12597178/1/PC-Task?h=ca7f85



That's strange how my miggy seems to do good on all results but finally get a weak overall score compared to your DosBox/PCTask AOne.
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Re: WTB: Amiga 2000 486 Bridgeboard
« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2010, 10:45:31 AM »
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There are no 486 class bridgeboards or even Pentium ones. Period.

The best you can get are 386SX class boards (16 bit bus). Many can be upgraded with a 486SLC but that's far below a 386DX or even a 486. It's got a 486 instruction set (no FPU), a small cache and is faster than the 386SX but that's dog slow anyway.

If you abandon the 'bridge' concept you can use most CPU boards intended for passive backplanes - you'll have a completely separated PC running inside your Amiga and have to provide the communication yourself (NICs, serial/parallel, whatever).

I've run a 100 MHz Pentium board in my 3000 for a while but it failed to make a point with an Athlon Thunderbird sitting right next to it.

Sure but those "single board computers" are not the same fun in my opinion, and won't make any use of all ISA slots Commodore have brought to us.
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Re: WTB: Amiga 2000 486 Bridgeboard
« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2010, 05:08:38 PM »
Yes, this benchmark is puzzling.
Comparing my 1260 results to the GG, i do not understand how i get superior results in all categories but an inferior overall results.
Compaq 386 also stands for the first 386 PC made, which i believe was running a 386 sx 16 MHz.
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Re: WTB: Amiga 2000 486 Bridgeboard
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2010, 07:44:54 AM »
I have tried SoftPC emulator for MacOS under Shapeshifter and have ran MIPS again.

http://www.dropbox.com/gallery/12597178/1/SoftPC?h=77e015

I can't believe an emulator running into another emulator would perform better than a native amiga emulator (PCTask), MIPS is definilty a meaningless program after all.
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