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Offline scuzzb494Topic starter

Strange Wire and Clicking A4000d
« on: December 26, 2015, 04:48:29 PM »
Hi

Second of my A4000s that I’m checking over and I have no reason to believe this one is alive. Reason: I was told she was busted when I collected her.

The computer is very clean and an A4000/040 with 52XDrive and 3GB Quantum.

The first thing you notice is a strange small wire coming from the second connector at U892 which dives under the motherboard. The battery has been removed and all looks clean. However, when you switch the computer on all you get is a very faint clicking noise from the PSU. Hopefully its just that as I have another couple of PSUs if I can find them.

That wire intrigues me. Its the chip just above the connectors for the displays on the front panel HDlight etc. The ref number is U892 and it drops under the mother board.

scuzz

Offline scuzzb494Topic starter

Re: Strange Wire and Clicking A4000d
« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2015, 09:53:31 AM »
Quote from: Castellen;800848
The second pin on that IC is a data bus line.  Specifically, that IC is part of the bidirectional 32-bit bridge between the CPU data bus and the fast memory.  Without the bridge working, the computer will still boot, but the system won't see any fast memory.  Someone has probably added the wire in an attempt to fix a corroded open circuit track on the top side of the board at SIMM socket U850.  There are much tidier ways to do such a repair.

Perform the usual basic low-level checks such as: is the power LED on, does the CPU board work in another A4000, clock jumpers are correct, ROMs are in the correct sockets, etc.  If you can narrow it down to a main board fault, then I can look at this for you.
http://amiga.serveftp.net


Odd that. The machine came from Germany and a reputable Amigan that knew his stuff. The computer was working fine but has been in store for some while now. I kinda thought it may be the PSU and was about to swap that out.

Are you still taking repair jobs on motherboards. I still have that 3000T board damaged and could ship it to you ? Probably not until the spring though.

Offline scuzzb494Topic starter

Re: Strange Wire and Clicking A4000d
« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2015, 10:12:01 PM »
Quote from: Castellen;800887
It could be the power supply, or anything else, though you'll save yourself time with a few basic checks.  For instance, if the power LED is on, the board probably has 5V, which is all that's needed to boot to the 'insert disk' screen.

The power supply ticking noise could be it going into over-current shut down.  So a short to ground on any of the outputs may be causing it not to work.  If you were to unplug all the loads, does the power supply operate normally?  You can use a meter to check the 5V output is valid.  Then gradually add the loads to the point it stops working to narrow down where the problem is.


Yes, I'm currently accepting Amiga boards for repair.  A word of caution with the A3000T; if it's the usual case of leaked battery, these are notoriously expensive to repair for a number of reasons.  Their large size and weight makes international shipping a bit pricey.  And the area of battery corrosion in this model is particularly unfortunate as it often damages the FPU and the dozens of tracks in the area which route in and out of the 4-layer board, which usually breaks various ROM and real time clock connections.  The physical layout of the tracks in the corrosion area (dense population with many vias routing to internal layers) can make it very time consuming and therefore expensive to repair, and the job can get ugly and become fragile if there are many tracks to repair.  Don't mean to put you off, this is just my experience over 15 years of repairing them.

If you can send a detailed photo showing the areas of damage, I can estimate how practical it might be to repair.

http://amiga.serveftp.net


I gave up with the 4000d. I stripped back completely and swapped out the PSU. No difference, and then amazingly after a few minutes the PSU fired up. I rebuilt checking to see if I was breathing life into the computer but no joy. This machine has busted SIMS with only the last or first available. I was carrying a RAM card for memory. Sad really. Its gone through the wars a bit this computer.

Anyway. I have two broken and need to make a good one, so I may organise in the new year a repair on a mouseport if that is possible on a 4000D motherboard and then fit to this machine. I also have a 1200 with a broken mouse pin.

We have discussed the 3000T before and I sent you pics and I sensed then that this may be a bit of a serious challenge. I have a working 3000T so not a major issue at this time though I would like to getr it fixed some time.