Bastards!!!

[scuzzb494]

I bought my PS3 to play games on. SONY make magic kit so if it helps them contunue making fantastic kit and prevent hackers from mucking up my system or disabling the network for some reason then good for them. The PS3 is a games machine... And is sold as a games machine and DVD player. Of late the machine has more browser features and I guess these facilities are ever going to be expanded. If folk want a third party use for any machine then they probably need to use a home grown system unbadged without its own operating system.

So no they are not what you called them. They in fact sell a machine that gives me hours of pleasure... Currently Final Fantasy XIII, before that Bayonetta... next up God of War and on and on.

What I do object to and would use the B word is the BBC iPlayer on the PS3. The BBC should be disbanded or run as a commercial operation and stop taking money from me to support their outdated, bloated, unproductive, self indulgent load of crap. I haven`t watched BBC since 1995 so why should I pay for it. Now that is something worth moaning about.

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@Iggy:
Linux on the PS3 runs as a virtual machine under a hypervisor and as such doesn't have direct access to the hardware.  The video hardware specifically is gimped to a simple framebuffer without any 3D acceleration.  This is presumably to prevent access to people whom aren't licensed to develop for the RSX chip.  The basic 2D video is sufficient for Amiga emulation.

@scuzzb494:
The statement "The PS3 is a games machine" is purely subjective.   Other OS was a marketed feature.

Your talking FAT here arn`t you. The PS3 has moved on and the hardwear like my original FAT is now out of date. The SLIM never supported the other OS feature as I understand so why is anyone surprised that 3 year old technology is now going to be updated to bring it in line with the slim PS3. Eventually the FAT will disappear as the PS3 has become far more popular since the release of the SLIM... And more changes are in the pipeline. SONY won't make the same mistake again as they did with the XBOX and they will keep the 'gaming console' ahead of the pack. The games are what sells, not the disc player ... and a specialist minority group like LINUX are hardly their concern.... And they can change their mode of operation at any time. I support SONY for their gaming console, always will. So If they think its necessary to move the platform on to compete  with crappy Microsoft then I am very very pleased. Seriously if you want LINUX go get a tin box....

The PS3 is internet dependant for gaming now and most stuff won`t run without the Playstation Network which is free. This internet updating tool from SONY keeps both FAT and SLIM healthy, for PS3 browser and gaming purposes. That is the focus, sorry. So the computer will get updated unless you simply disconnect it from the telephone line.

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I just went through the update and SONY give you the option not to accept the update. They explain exactly what will happen if you accept the update and they warn you of the consequences of updating if you run LINUX on the PS3. So I don`t see how anyone can complain. Its a simple choice ... if you want to use the machine as an entertainment console then accept, cus without it you will not be able to log into the Playstation Network... and play games that sychronise trophies such as Bayonetta.... OR if you want to run daisy chain LINUX etc then dont agree. Your not forced to agree to the update. ITS NOT AUTOMATIC.

I just agreed cus I really want to use the full potential of my PS3 as a games console. Others can use it as they please. You could always get a SLIM for games and a FAT for LINUX. Really don`t see what the name calling is all about.

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Actually the price of PS3 slim is very close to the price of X360 Elite (at least it was when Slim was introduced). And all those things you mentioned you can do on a PS3 even without Linux. Of course, I understand that having Linux on it can be useful, I'd probably install it too if it was still possible.

The XBOX Elite comes out just a touch more expensive cus you really need the recharger for the batteries for the controller, and XBOX Live isn't free. In the end my XBOX Elite cost more than the PS3 Slim. More annoying is that it turned out to be inferior to the PS3... and all the hype about Bayonetta being better was unfounded. The interface is junk. I put the thing straight back in the box and cancelled my WindowsLive account.

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really i don't believe you just suggested buying a ps3 again to keep the functionality intact on your current ps3? i mean come on just because you have no issue losing that functionality don't make everyone like that. and not everyone can afford to keep buying a ps3 to maintain the status quo.

honestly they could have created separate firmware for each model. this would make the current iteration more secure while leaving the function in place for the people that want/ need it.

imagine buying a laptop and the company making it disabled the dvd drive for watching movies on a mandatory bios update. would you be just as passive about that? would you admit the laptop wasn't made to watch dvds suck it up and go buy a real dvd player?

@the whiner complainers

i understand where you are coming from. personally i have no use for consoles in general. but at least attempt to see it from the other side too.

Yes I am.... I don't agree that the SLIM and the FAT should be treated any differently. SONY are simply updating the machine to perform no doubt as a more stable and safe product in line with the SLIM. It is for SONY to decide how they best do this, and buying the machine to utilise their PlayStation Network they can impose how the software runs. The fact that you want to run the PS3 outside of the Playstation Network is your choice. Its free so whats the big deal. If you don`t want PS3 Network functionality then don`t update.. it is a simple as that. But why on earth would you lumber the 99 percent of all PS3 gamers with a fix to satisfy a group of people that may ' may ' just compromise the gamiing OS. Don`t get it. And yes go get another PS3 SLIM, or Elite if you are unhappy and wanna use the PS3 Network but keep LINUX... Its only about trophy synchronisation generally and the modern gaming requirements. My gaming is, has, will always be very important to me as it is to loads of folk. LINUX however, can be run on anything, as I understand. Never use it.

The gaming world will not care.

PS: SONY had big problems on February 28th with the FAT only model cus of the variations betwen the two machines. If this fixes problems like that then thank goodness.

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it has been said several times by several people in this thread that the ps3 is a games console, or made for games or things to that effect.

that is not what sony is selling it as "it does everything" is their slogan and in several of the commercials as well as in some ads "is does linux" was mentioned directly.

they want this to be more than a games machine. that is why they included "other os" if someone bought a machine because of that option and the company disabled it or the entire console or any part of it becuase they refused to update sony should expect lawsuits.
this isnt important to me because i dont like sony. it might not be important to you for various reasons but the fact is sony has done something wrong here and that sucks.

personally all i wanted was a games console, i have a computer for programming and apps and internet and a player for movies, so i got a wii "it does games"

Not any more... The SLIM does not support Other OS. What you are all missing is the failure of SONY at the time of the FAT to recapture the market from Microsoft. SONY has worked hard to get the machine back on the top shelf and that has been to a greater extent due to the success of the SLIM. The FAT is dead now and the technology needs to be upgraded. SONY are focussing on the future and they are living in today. Sadly that means the 3 year old FAT is not their promoted current technology. They have had to part company with the great ideals to take on the mighty Microsoft. We need SONY to succeed or else we will condemned to a world of MS. LINUX is not mainstream, it is a specialist OS, it is totally irrelevant to the game market today. SONY has at last accepeted their true purpose for the PS3 and now it is thundering through to take control of that market. SONY do not need LINUX. They have not abandoned the FAT... They give you the option not to install the update. And if you want a LINUX PS3 ... then dont update... And if you want to play games go get a SLIM... AND SUPPORT SONY.

You really need to get up to date and see the bigger picture here and on this matter stop wallowing around in obscurity. There is a massive industry at risk here, a commercial interest by a giant that at one point was thinking of ditching gaming consoles. That cannot happen.

MS must not win....

And if you want to see just how many FATs there are still being used just check out the forums for the Monday of April 1st. Had this problem not been resolved by the Tuesday there would have been an uprising. And these guys are not using the machines for LINUX. They are like me gamers. I need my FAT up to date as all these other guys.

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Edit: well other then custom FWs I have to abandon the PS3 and go back to ARM architecture.

I think that would be best , don't you.

I doubt that SONY really care about the odd one or two people using their console that want to use LINUX. As said before if you want to use LINUX don't patch and if you love the gaming either patch or just get a slim. There is no big deal here. SONY are no longer supporting The OtherOS function... I support them 100% if it means development of the PS3 as a ' games console '. Linux hackers are just proving what the issues were all about anyway... so whats the big deal.

And for those that will now refuse to buy SONY well I guess that is your loss. Again I doubt SONY will lose any sleep over it.

And as to crapping on costomers... well if the majority felt this way then SONY would be in trouble. But as I said 99% of users of the out of date kit don't use LINUX and 100% of the new SLIM users can't, and yet sales for the SLIM have accelerated away. Buyers voted with their approval of the SLIM that they were not bothered about the OtherOS. The PS4 won't support it so we move one.

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