UltimatePPC and everything else

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re the open source things. I like to have the ability to hack on / debug/ improve software I run. open source allows me to do that.

your comment that I dont need access to the kernel to write a driver, is exactly my issue - being told what I can and can't do. I won't want to buy into software to run as my hobby machine, that is locked down to a single piece of hardware, doesnt give me the freedom to work on parts that I want. Maybe I want to work on the core os. Or maybe I don't but I would like the ability to be there. right now the "morphos" team have the power to pull the plug on the os, or refuse to replacea keyfile if hardware was to die. No thanks.

I'm not picking on just morphos. I feel the same about os4.

I realise my "views" are incompatible with the views of many "Amiga users". I realise you will continue to utilise open source that originates from other platforms, while limiting the freedom your own users have with your code.. and because of that you also limit your userbase. I'm sure that doesn't matter to you either.

Mate, if you REALLY have issues with using any software that you don`t have complete source control over then how did you ever start using an amiga?  
For that matter how do you get by in daily life?
Do you demand schematics when you buy a new TV?
It is a wholly unreasonable expectation.

edit:  I`ll also add that a lot of big open source projects result in a turgid mish-mash of competing ideas and lack polish.  Amiga idea is based around tight code, simplicity and efficient use of resources, everything OSS isn`t .  Open source MOS would be a disaster.
Threads about the direction AmigaOS and clones should take are regularly punctuated by foolish suggestions - would you give all these people source access and allow them to fork the OS every time they want support for some stupid thing?

re-edit:  Would you use a parachute that had been packed by a thousand people taking turns to make one fold and each having a different view on how to pack a parachute?

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It is just my opinion, OSS often seems to lack vision and direction to me.  Your response is disarming and reasonable though, I did not mean to be as confrontational as I think I may have been.

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Ha, you`re right of course but I imagine the odds go up with the number of developers.  It sort of happened with that linux-based-AROS thingy that was talked about a while back remember?

I think projects with a well-defined endgame are well suited to open source development, for example: `a library to decode some format` or `a wrapper for some API`.  Whereas open-ended stuff like `An OS` or even `a word-processor` are more likely to bloat and fork.

Anyhow I ought not keep dragging this thread off-topic, sorry.

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True but in this case I think it was simply an erroneous decision that for whatever reason has not been acknowledged or amended (yet).  Hopefuly it will because it would be a shame to see someone with the time and inclination to build this kind of hardware produce something which is effectively useless when it could be killer.

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Wow that`s great!  If WOS runs then that makes a big difference.

People will respect the likes of Harry Sintonen when he says it`s a dead end, that doesn`t mean we want it to fail...

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fine, but the downside of warpos is and ever was that it needs natively compiled binaries to take advantage of it. everything else remains as slow as it was without it. i repeat my proposal ive already made before: 68k emu running transparently on ppc to speed just everything up. the advantage is, you do not create another niche within a niche, that demands out of date, rarely available and practically unsupported compiler targets backends and particular coding. on the contrary, plain 68k code executed sorta atop of abstraction layer (68k emu) allows easily even further migration to future faster extension cards and exchangeability between all amiga-ng solutions.
what do you say?

At least we have a few WOS apps though, if it runs.  A CS replacement that goes fast would be saleable I`m sure but given Petro`s offer a Blizzard replacement might now do better.

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Well if we`re talking 68k then I agree that a silly-fast x86 with jit and glue in fpga as an accelerator would be amazing.  In fact it`s a bit of a dream of mine.  I even posited it on natami.org but of course I can offer little to help so it`s just a dream.

edit: well, in ROM or whatever, you know what I mean...