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Re: 486dx2 System Question
« on: November 20, 2007, 10:02:10 AM »
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Old DOS and 486 systems are obscure and require an obsolete set of knowledge

Ah yes, one of my various areas of obsolete expertise :)

If you were to install a DX4 in place of a DX2, you may run into a problem with voltage or with write-back cache (which needs to be supported by the BIOS). That's what those adaptor boards that fit between the CPU and socket were for, to drop the voltage to 3.3 or 3.45V and disable the write-back cache. Then the DX4 or AMD 5x86 (and sometimes the Cyrix 5x86) can be used in an old board.

There is also the Pentium Overdrive chip (IIRC you need socket 3 for that, as socket 1 didn't have all the pins)

You'd have to try hard to cook a 486 chip. I ran a 3.3V Cyrix 486-100 (which has write-through cache) in a 5V board for quite some time before I learned that it wasn't supposed to work, yet it didn't have a problem.

40 and 50MHz VLB boards were not uncommon, though sometimes the higher speed settings were undocumented, and in practice there weren't as many CPUs around that officially supported those speeds anyway. But the 5x86 and Intel DX4 CPUs supported different multipliers, 2x, 2.5x, 3x, and 4x, depending on the paricular model CPU. I have a couple of VLB socket 3 boards that support 60 and 66MHz bus. I had a Cyrix 5x86-120 in there running at 60x2 with a Trident 9440 and it could do 50MB/sec. That combo wasn't completely stable though. Later I got a PCI socket 3 board and ran the Cyrix chip in there also at 60MHz x2 (had to divide the PCI clock down to 30MHz, else the onboard IDE would crap out). That one was stable, and the L2 cache was faster on it but the video and IDE was not as fast.

Your onboard video may be faster than what the ISA bus can manage. ISA cards max out around 5MB/sec. You can check with the program SVGASPD http://www.hyakushiki.net/junk/memspd.zip

I have at least one set of 4 4MB 30-pin SIMMs in my pile, as well as various 486 motherboards, VLB and ISA cards, and CPUs
 

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Re: 486dx2 System Question
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2007, 03:09:37 AM »
Cyrix didn't use the "PR" for socket 3 CPUs, that nonsense began with the 6x86 (socket 5). The performance of their 486 CPUs is pretty close to the other manufacturers', while their 5x86 easily beats the intel DX4 and AMD 5x86

I could part with an SB16 and 4 SIMMs for $20 shipped (perhaps an ethernet card too if you want)

 

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Re: 486dx2 System Question
« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2007, 06:42:05 AM »
4MB per stick = 16MBytes total
 

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Re: 486dx2 System Question
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2007, 06:38:41 AM »
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I wish I still had my GameBlaster/Creative Music System (CMS)

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You mean the "Adlib" cards?

The Adlib uses an FM synthesizer, the YM3812 (OPL2), which is also used on SBs, and early SB Pro cards which had two. The Game Blaster on the other hand, is just a bunch of sine wave and white noise channels (4x YM2149 IIRC, think Atari ST sound chip).
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I'm still not sure how the BIOS figured out to boot the system from an ISA slot

The Hardcard has its own ROM on it which is called by the BIOS after POST. Just like an Amiga SCSI zorro card or modern PCI RAID card.
 

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Re: 486dx2 System Question
« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2007, 07:40:45 AM »
I'm a big FM fan so I know the Yamaha chips. There's a ton of info on Japanese pages like http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/FM音源 but in English http://www.soundshock.se/ would be a good resource.

On the subject of win3.11 on the internet I will say one thing "ping of death" :)