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Re: NTSC - what a bunch of junk
« on: March 29, 2011, 02:01:54 PM »
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PAL uses 50 Hz, NTSC 60 Hz vertical refresh - so NTSC means less flicker.

This isn't quite as true as you make out. Certainly the time periods involved would mean PAL was more "flickery". However, PAL has a better resolution so the size of the flicker is less.

As the perception of vision varies from person to person some people notice the flicker in PAL more, they are more perceptive to time interval, and some people notice the flicker size in NTSC more, they are more perceptive to the flicker size.

Overall the quality of the connection tends to be way more important. Composite is quite frankly a steaming pile of plop, avoid it at all costs.

It also matters of course, the nature of whatever you are viewing. A Workbench screen is generated by the Amiga directly. If one was talking about a video the matter of source material, standards conversion, drop frames and all make the issue far more complex, but I'm not going to go into that right now, I'm far too busy today.

Sadly, in my experience, most of the video industry (I worked for many years as a DVD author for Touchstone productions) have less technical knowledge than they should have. Take out a DVD and check out some still menus, you will find many that flicker like mad, the sub-pic (selection highlight) in particular. This is easily improved by applying a single pixel vertical blur to the menu and sup-pic. Or better still by avoiding odd numbers of vertical pixels to any horizontal lines in the menu design. Not difficult but seldom done, sadly.

And all that's before we even consider the screen itself of course.
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Re: NTSC - what a bunch of junk
« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2011, 03:37:08 PM »
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Sounds slightly esoteric to me.
Which "time periods" are you referring to? Can't get the "size of the flicker" thing either, sorry...

The time periods I refer to are the one 50th and one 60th of a second timing for the fields for PAL and NTSC respectively.

The size of the flicker is due to the physical height of the pixels, smaller on PAL than NTSC due to superior resolution.

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Filmed video material generally is less susceptible to flicker as vertical contrast will usually be less. A computer output can have extreme contrast between odd/even lines which will cause severe flicker due to the brightness difference.

Indeed it is, unless of course someone in the film is wearing a thinly (horizontally) stripped item of clothing then be prepares for moire madness.

As for computer outputs, yes, you are correct. Sometimes playing with things like Workbench colours can help. Now what was that prog that doubled the thickness of the horizontal lines on WB? I can't remember.

Of course, filmed video material often suffers from more "staggering" with NTSC video than PAL. This is due to the conversion from 24p film to NTSCs 60 fields (30 frames interlaced). Interpolation between frames is required. It is far easier to speed the film up a fraction for PALs 25 frames of course. If you need me to clarify anything else feel free to ask.
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Re: NTSC - what a bunch of junk
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2011, 04:39:45 PM »
LMAO, I love curry, Mexican food, Chinese, Indonesian, Thai etc....
Just as long as no one puts a corpse in it. Vege all the way.

As for NTSC being colour blandness made manifest, I have to agree. PAL colour is much nicer.
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