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Re: Amiga PCs on the way....
« on: September 01, 2010, 06:25:20 PM »
OOOOOHHHH... Amiga branded PC.
BLAARGH, Makes me puke!!!
A Inc. has no OS, no real product worth buying, just a name. Oh dear, the word isn't copyright now is it, it never was. It's a damn trademark, so in reality anyone could stick the word "Amiga" on any machine provided it was in a different font. You can't hold copy on the word "Amiga" any more than you can on the word "Computer" or "Girlfriend". Get a life A inc. all your doing now is spitting piss and venom, you make me sick!!

By the way, I've got a nice vinyl cutter so I can stick chicken heads and amiga labels on anything I like, I just cut then and stick them, I think I'll go and brand by toilet....fridge....door...wall...etc.. They will all be just as "Amiga" as a stinking PC!!
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Re: Amiga PCs on the way....
« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2010, 06:38:46 PM »
Yeah, and you can run PC x86 stuff on it! Wow, like I haven't got one of those!
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Re: Amiga PCs on the way....
« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2010, 06:46:37 PM »
Yeah, and you can run PC x86 stuff on it!
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Re: Amiga PCs on the way....
« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2010, 07:04:45 PM »
A inc failed to keep up one side of a contract and got stuffed for it. They gave us nothing but false hope and I have no sympathy for them at all. At least Hyperion have given us OS4. If these amiga branded PC's come out with OS5 on them (LMAO) and if it's better than OS4 then maybe I'll look kindly on them again but to be honest I ain't holding my breath.
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Re: Amiga PCs on the way....
« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2010, 07:06:38 PM »
@Piru

You make a good point, I can see little of any good comming out of this.
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Re: Amiga PCs on the way....
« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2010, 07:29:09 PM »
RAOFLMAO!

Just as well I wasn't holding my breath then. XD
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Re: Amiga PCs on the way....
« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2010, 12:09:37 AM »
Quote from: takemehomegrandma;577157

Apparently, Amiga Inc has licensed the trade mark word "Amiga" to CommodoreUSA


Let's get this right. A "Trademark" is just that. A way of marking your goods for the purpose of trade. You cannot "Trademark" a word that exists in a real language as this is considered a generic mark. Otherwise I would Trademark the word "Cleaner" and sue the arse off of thousands of companies. What you can trademark is the graphical representation of that word, and, to a lesser extent, the fair use of that word. It could be argued that the word "Amiga" on a computer could be what is trademarked. However, under "Fair usage" Hyperion could arque that the fair usage of the AmigaOS trademark (please hold in mind the graphical representation of that mark) is infringed by the Amiga trademark (written in the same graphical style) on another computer (made by say, commodoreUS) and Ainc. would find themselves with a case to answer yet again.

Having said that it's all pancakes to me, my interest is in Natami and SAM.
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Re: Amiga PCs on the way....
« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2010, 12:16:56 AM »
Quote from: Franko;577163

Short of some deranged super die hard Amiga fanatic coming along and willing to spend all his cash on buying up the rights to the Commodore & Amiga legacy and funding new R&D and actually producing a new Amiga, there's not a hope in hell of us every seeing a new Amiga in the true sense of the word.


Have you been looking at my "Things to do" list?
That one's listed under "Win the lottery".
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Re: Amiga PCs on the way....
« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2010, 12:35:09 AM »
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No just get lost, you clearly have issues. I suppose you must also be upset by all the different Linux versions and the fact that Mac dumped 68k and then PowerPC.


That's rather rude! What's this guy done to you to make such you treat him in such an offensive manner? He is entitled to his opinion just as you are. Clearly you also have "issues".

This may help:

http://www.angermanagementaustralia.com.au/
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Re: Amiga PCs on the way....
« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2010, 01:58:40 PM »
Quote from: takemehomegrandma;577264

Hyperion does *not* have a license for the use of the mark "Amiga". Their license explicitly grants them the right to use the four marks "AmigaOS", "Amiga OS", "AmigaONE", "Amiga ONE". See the difference? The four latter marks are for exclusive use by Hyperion. Nothing more, nothing less. As long as Amiga Inc (or anyone else) stays clear from those, everything is perfectly fine. (And this goes the other way around as well, as Hyperion had better stay away from "Amiga").


I never stated that Hyperion had a license for the use of the mark "Amiga". Check my post. The mark I mentioned for Hyperion was "AmigaOS", so yes, I know the difference. As for everything being fine if A Inc avoid the exclusive Hyperion TM's, well that's not exactly true. Issues can arise from similar marks eg. if I marked a car "Fyord" in Fords graphical style, I could get sued. I'm not saying this would happen, I was just pointing out that it could.

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I can't see no mention in the contract (but maybe I missed it? If so, please point me to the right spot!) of:
1) Hyperion would even have been granted a right to use any specific and particular graphical representation of any trademark (except for "the Boing Ball", which is explicitly not exclusive)


ALL Trademarks are specific graphical representations first and foremost. Different graphical representations are more subjective in law and fall under the fair usage scenario, hence why courts are needed to settle such issues.
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2) That this granted right (if it's even there, which I think not) should in any way be exclusive to Hyperion


We know what is granted to Hyperion as exclusive, you've stated Hyperions exclusive rights yourself.
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In fact, it's even specifically pointed out, for the sake of clarity (just to avoid situations like the one you try to paint to us), in the Hyperion/Amiga Inc agreement, that the Amiga Parties (Amiga Inc, ltec, Amino collectively, as defined per the topmost paragraph of the deal) are indeed the ones with the right to the "Amiga Mark" (as defined in Definitions C: "any mark owned and/or registered or licensed by or to the Amiga Parties containing the word "Amiga" whether in stylized form (figurative mark) or otherwise"), and that the Amiga Parties have the right to continue to use "the mark 'AMIGA' alone or in conjunction with other words, so long as 'OS' or 'One' does not directly follow the word 'AMIGA'." (as defined in Grant 1c).

There is no ground for confusion, everything is perfectly clear; Amiga Inc has the rights to the Amiga trade mark, including any "stylized form" it may be pictured in. Hyperion has the rights to use the "AmigaOS", "Amiga OS", "AmigaONE", "Amiga ONE" marks, in no particular stylized form (as far as I can see), and as long as Amiga Inc, Commodore and anyone else stays clear of those four marks, Hyperion does not have any grounds whatsoever for "legal actions".

If I paint it's with a brush, I'm passing opinion only on this forum not "painting", I have a studio for that.
Hyperions rights over certain words do not get constrained by graphical style as they are not singular words from an existing language. As for AIncs rights, that's not as clear cut as the wording implies as the word "Amiga" is a standard spanish word. This means that the TM holder (AInc) must fall back on graphical representation to protect ownership of the mark or on fair usage. It is on the very issue of fair usage that Hyperion could (I do not imply they would or that they would be successful if they did) argue that although AInc. hold the Amiga TM it is unfair usage to use it on a computer (like me using Fyord you see). I make this point only to inform, I personally see no need for Hyperion to react as CommodoreUS and AInc are quite frankly seen as a joke by many in this community.
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Well, Natami I can understand, but Sam? Does it even have a Amiga sticker? ;)

Maybe I'll cut one with my vinyl cutter and stick it on ;) Maybe I'll make a couple of spares and give them away to so people can stick them on PCs they already own. Maybe I'll send you a couple. XD
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Re: Amiga PCs on the way....
« Reply #10 on: September 02, 2010, 09:04:03 PM »
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I don't want an FPGA Arcade.  I've got two PCs (desktop and laptop) and they are uninspiring.  Maybe I will throw a few £ at the AROS bounties.

No, I think I'll stick to my backup, and go for the sam460.


That should leave you enough for a Natami ;)

If you would like an Amiga sticker for it maybe I could cut you one with my vinyl cutter, as an artistic project and at no profit 'cause I wouldn't be  breaking the law then ;)
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Re: Amiga PCs on the way....
« Reply #11 on: September 02, 2010, 09:18:57 PM »
@takemehomegrandma

I see what you are saying regarding the Trademark laws, it's interesting to see how much more specific US law is on this compared with UK law, the use of SM (service mark) is something I have never seen in the UK for example. Copyright seems to be more specific too, as in if you don't mark your work you could find yourself without any rights over it. In the UK an artists work has implied copyright no matter if it's marked or not. All he has to do is prove the original is his (or hers of course). It amazes me how any country can have such detail in the legal system, giving lawyers years of work and yet still expect citizens to know the law.

It still doesn't change the fact that a PC with an Amiga sticker is just a PC however. If AInc had any reals brains they would have offered the trademarks to the Natami team. instead.
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Re: Amiga PCs on the way....
« Reply #12 on: September 03, 2010, 01:12:14 AM »
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You forgot the other (major, important) difference, those systems run OSes the standard x86 PCs cannot.  That PPC "dongle" unfortunately can't be stuck on your Dell.


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Re: Amiga PCs on the way....
« Reply #13 on: September 03, 2010, 01:23:03 AM »
Quote from: takemehomegrandma;577427

Who say they can't? As we just have seen, one does not exclude one other! :)

Has the Natami team even asked?

Maybe Commodore could make an "AIO" computer out of the Natami when it's finished? That would be super cool! A Commodore Amiga with real but updated Amiga style HW, in a A1200 styled case! :)

I'd buy one!

:)


Who says they can't? well I didn't, in fact I think that would have been the smartest move, that was my point. The fact that you'd buy one goes to show that at least for one customer (you) it would have been the smartest move, they would have at least one sale. I intend to buy a Natami too, and an Amiga sticker on it certainly would not put me off. An Amiga labelled machine not running an Amiga OS however, they can keep that. I know it could run AROS or UAE but as I've said before, so can any other x86 PC.
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« Reply #14 on: September 03, 2010, 02:26:08 AM »
Quote from: tone007;577441

..and if you think the PPC issue didn't affect Apple when they changed platforms, ask them how much they spent on development to get OS X on x86.


Lot's, I think you will find the total cost was in the hundreds of millions (at this point I'm half expecting Bloodline to give us an exact figure).
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