potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP

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koaftder wrote:
I'm not mad at lou, and i dont hate him either. If we ran into eachother at a bar, i'm sure we could have a nice chat about cars, microcomputers and women over a guniess.

Yeah well I woz joking with you both anyway.
Ever try some nice British ales? Broadside? Atilla The Hun? Our local brewery (Adnams)knocks out some head scaffers. It's all good after your first pint.  :crazy:

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koaftder wrote:
Here in North Carolina, USA until very recently( as in like 6 months ago i beleive) there was a limit to the ammount of alcohol allowed in beer, i beleive it was like 6%, limiting the beer selection. Now we are free to drink what ever we want, so suggest away.

6%,Lame!

That's why so many English people think American Beer tastes like gnats 9!55 I guess.

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amigadave wrote:
I can't believe this thread is still going on and wasting band width here with all the attacks back and forth and the wandering off topic.  Am I the only one that thinks this thread should have been shut down by the moderator a long time ago?

Geesh man. I thought you Californians were all like laid back and chilled. Relax man, no ones been harmed in the making of this thread.  :afro:

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adolescent wrote:
I'm sure Sony won't let the homebrew developers down at least.

WHAT!!! RU MUCKING FAD? Sony have let homebrew developers down every time. They offer the kit at inflated prices and with naff devware. PSP is just the latest example of hardware that could have given us a whole new generation of bedroom coders...but no! Try GP32X instead.

Sony care only for cash, make no mistake. They love proprietory media as you get to buy everything you own again, hence UMD! They make hardware that could be truly great at times but then only allow you to fully use it by buying more add-ons or modding. As for pro customers (like me *) they get to charge £70 per foot of cable because it has proprietory Sony plugs on each end.
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*DVD Author: Trained by Sony.

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Good point FaZyCrUcK...

.. :pint:  :insane:  :mickeymouse:  :banana:  :kitty:  :juggler:  :hat:  :elvis:  :afro:  :crazy:  :pint: ...
Welcome to the mad house.

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Ha BL~~DY Ha, I think you miss the point. Yaroze was expensive for a couple of cables and a fuzzy black texture PS, required a PC and lacked many of the features the full Playstation developers' suite provided.
Linux on PS2 may well be welcome but the HDD included with the Linux Kit is not compatible with PlayStation 2 games, (reformatting the HDD with the utility disc provided with the retail HDD enables use with PlayStation 2 games but removes the Linux). It didn't use the DVD ROM drive either did it, hmm....I'll give it a 4.

However, an A1200 just required a copy of Blitz Basic to get most people going and you don't need to reformat a HDD to play games. Even the CD32 was more flexible than Linux PS2 for homebrew.

I would like to see a true homebrew system like the Amiga was. Lets face it, all you should need on an XBOX is a keyboard and some software, the rest is all in place.
It's not about the "interested" finding cheap kit to code with, they'll code anyway. It's about thousands of J Doe's who when bored of countless hours on GTA have a play with the SEUCK of the day and find they actually enjoyed CREATING something.
If it's in the box and 1% try it out then maybe 1% of them make fun games, on a system like PS2, GC or XBOX we gain a stack of great PD. The industry in turn gets some new ideas and potential future stars. Look how Team 17 started.

   :-)

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adolescent wrote:
Expensive?.  $650 when the Playstation was $200 doesn't seem like that much of a stretch.

-That's 325% of the console price, so for a similar idea on 360 you would be ok with over £900? Over the top for a new generation of bedroom coders methinks.

But, of course it was stripped down.  Who would pay for a full dev unit if the "homebrew" version was thousands cheaper and offered the same features.

-Creating a new gen of bedroom coders requires thinking above that of short term cash gains from Dev units.

The developers I worked with in the past all used modified PS to test games.  It was too risky to burn up a dev unit.

-If they took my approach you wouldn't have been so concerned.

Linux on PS2 may well be welcome but the HDD included with the Linux Kit is not compatible with PlayStation 2 games, (reformatting the HDD with the utility disc provided with the retail HDD enables use with PlayStation 2 games but removes the Linux). It didn't use the DVD ROM drive either did it, hmm....I'll give it a 4.

You can use the DVD-ROM, don't know where you heard that.

- If I got the DVD ROM thing wrong....Blame the wiki!

  As for the HD, you are probably correct.  

-I am.

But, unless you want to play FFX (or the other 2-3 HD games) that isn't a big deal.  (I've never been asked to reformat mine)

-Fair point. That PS2 HDD didn't get much support did it.

However, an A1200 just required a copy of Blitz Basic to get most people going and you don't need to reformat a HDD to play games. Even the CD32 was more flexible than Linux PS2 for homebrew.

Are you BL~~DY mad?  The PS2 + Linux kit has more memory, a HD, Ethernet, DVD-ROM, VGA output, USB, etc. all which the CD32 is lacking.  The CD32 doesn't even come with a floppy drive or keyboard.  To develop ON the CD32 you need an expensive add-on, or you need to use a seperate computer (hmm... one of the negatives you said about PS homebrew)

-UTTER TRIPE!!!You don't even need a CD32 if the game wbloads on 3.1 ROMS. I have loads of PD on CD that works great on a CD32 and was never written for it.

I agree about the A1200, but that's because it's a computer.  (But, remember this entire thread is based on the delusion that the GCN can become a computer).

-It is a computer. It "computes", does it not? Delusion is a bit harsh maybe.

And, again say that you need to format the HDD to play games.  This is not true.  It is only true if you want to use the HDD with a HDD compatible game.

-That is what I meant.

I would like to see a true homebrew system like the Amiga was.

Agreed.  Like I said the PS3 looks promising if it comes with Linux like has been mentioned.  Otherwise, people can always grab a PC (they probably already have) and start coding.

-All said and done the PS3 is starting to give me some real hope now, 60Gb HDD, linux OS, maybe .....but I don't think anything short of the Amiga "proper computer/game machine" fusion will do to get everday gamers finding the fun in creating homebrew.