Dead at 42

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The pretty one from Blue Peter died yesterday at 42. So young very sad :-(


Caron Keating

Mark, Caron and Yvette were "my" Blue Peter presenters, and since most of you are probably my age they were probably yours too.

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I guess my chances of shagging her are even more remote now :-(

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cecilia wrote:

bloodline wrote:
I guess my chances of shagging her are even more remote now :-(

that depends on your preferences (eeewww)!

 :-o

You're not suggesting my chances may have increased... hmmm... sad but true... the number of times I've heard "I shag you over my dead body"... :-/

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Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
fruit??! Vegetables you mean, fruit's really really a luxury (thus unavailable) through the centuries...

No, Kenny is right. Our far ancestors would have eaten mostly fruit, but the Human being is actually a scavinger. Like all scavingers it it an omnivore.

In adition to the vitamins we can't make (and must obtain from fruit), there are several amino acids that we cannot produce and can obtian only from meat (or eggs).

If you want to stay heathly, then have a balanced diet. Lots of green vegetables (and carrots), fruits and meats (Fish is exceptional).

Kenny is also right that a small portion of liver will provide most of the vitamins, and all of the minerals and amino acids a human needs for a month!

Lucky for vegetarians, most of them ingest plenty of Animal/insect body parts for them to survive quite healthily.

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that_punk_guy wrote:
Vegetables generally have a selection of aminos rather than the full complement. But the body can synthesize complete proteins from different foods, even ingested several days apart, so there's little need to worry as long as you're eating a variety of foods. Soy also provides "complete" proteins.

I'm sorry Chris, but that's not true. There are amino acids that we require that can only be obtained from meat (or eggs). We cannot synthesize them, and plants (and fungie) don't make them.
As for soy, yes GM soy does contain the essential amino acids. But since that plant has had animal DNA inserted in to it to make the amino acid, you might as well just eat an egg (dippy, with soldiers of course).

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that_punk_guy wrote:

KennyR wrote:
I don't really think these people have figured out everything a human being needs. Nobody really has.

Funny then, that people are more than happy to jump all over me about my dietary preferences... :-?

@Matt

You have a link?

I want you to know that I have great respect for your resolve to avoid food which you cannot morally justify eating.

I just want to make it clear that Humans are scavingers, and are designed to survive for as long as possible on what ever is available. It just happened that while the homosapiens was evolving, fruit and meant were both plentiful, and so our bodies have become adapted to relying on the nutrience they provide. I would also note that vegetable are generally energetically too expensive too eat unless you cook them first.

As for links, I am just remembering my Amine chemistry lectures. I'll have a look for my notes on the subject. But if Karlos took the same modules during his chemistry degree, I'm sure he can help out.

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As far as evolution is concerned, we are kind of pausing it. Our advances in healthcare are keeping alive the genetically weak and allowing them to continue to pollute the gene pool. Obviously we shan't notice any immediate effects from this but it is nevertheless as legitimate a concern as others like to worry about. Worldwide, we cannot provide the whole world with food (a worsening situation given population growth); more vegetarians and environmentalists would signify the continuation of the journey to the end.

The classic example is IVF. More and more couples are using IVF to conceive. This means genetically infertile people can have children. THeire child will also be genetically infertile. If this trend continues eventually the only way humans can have children is via IVF.

What if, at some point in the future, we are unable to perform IVF, the huamn race will be doomed to extiction by it's own selfish hands.

and good ridance too :-)

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That matters what you want from evolution.

Evolution is just adaption to the environment via changes in the organism on a genetic level. If the organism no longer needs to adapt to it's environment but is able to adapt it's environment to itself, then it does not evolve.

It has been that way since ppl began to fight in groups. Imagine a medieval battle, an arrow could hit you no matter how good a swordfighter you are.

That is pretty modern by evolutionary standards.

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One key point to remember is that a single genetic mutation is not evolution. It's when many individuals of a population have the mutation, to the point that these individuals are distinct from others, that evolution can be said to have occured.

I don't like the term evolution anyway, although in a scientific context it is correct, modern use of the word has altered it's meaning. We should use the terms "Natural Selection" and "Artificial Selection".

Natural selection is the case when an organism adapts to it's environment, for better survival.
Artificial selection is the case when an organism is adapted by "Man" by breeding individules with favourable characteristics.

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Speelgoedmannetje wrote:

KennyR wrote:

Speel wrote:
I mean, producing 'bad' genes.

There is no evolution without need

Yes, but evolution has to begin somewhere doesn't it?
The more a specie experiments with it's genes, the more it is likely that it adapts more quickly to it's environment. I think that can be seen as necessary.

A Welfare state/society eliminates the pressure for an organism to adapt to it's surroundings. Thus natural selection cannot occur, the natural selecting factors are removed.
We live in an artificial environment, we adapt the environment to our needs, not the other way around.

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Speelgoedmannetje wrote:

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A Welfare state/society eliminates the pressure for an organism to adapt to it's surroundings. Thus natural selection cannot occur, the natural selecting factors are removed.

A welfare state/society is an adaptation of an organism to adapt to it's surroundings. The natural selection is goin' on on the state/society level. It's going on that way thousands of years already.

All you have demonstrated is that the "Evolutionary Model" applies to almost everything.

But what you are talking about is not the evolution of the human species, but human society, which is very different.

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Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
Well, humans have to fit socially in society (and vice versa).

But this is a totally diffent topic :-)

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Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
How do you mean?
What I say is that the 'artificial' society should be seen as a part of human evolution. And this society is evolving too.

No it's not. As I said before you are applying the Evolutionary model to a social system. Yes, the Evolution Model can be fitted to most systems. But we are not disscussing Social systems, we are talking about the evolution of a species.

Just because one society adopts one policy, it does not change the human species. The members of that society do not become a separate species.

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There is currently only one driving force in evolution still available to man, and that's sexual attractiveness.

Even that is undermined by our use of Make Up/clothes and cosmetic surgery. and peoplecan learn how to appear more attactive in the way they behave and the way they talk.

It's time to fact facts, Humans are stuck in an evolutionary rut :-(

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that_punk_guy wrote:
@Matt

You have a link?

sorry for the lateness of my reply punkie... but here it is :-)

Essential amino Acids